Valve Guide Seal Mod (2016)

cjandme · Aug 6, 2016

MS850 said:
.......... Would have been done by now but been watching my 2yo grandson.

That's good times though

L.E.N. · Aug 6, 2016

Glad to see you're bringing him up right, with the giants shirt and all. :wink:
Lance

MS850 · Aug 6, 2016

L.E.N. said:
Glad to see you're bringing him up right, with the giants shirt and all. :wink:
Lance

first trip to a bike store

MS850 · Aug 8, 2016

MS850 said:
Just got the KW valve seals and installer, installer was $7.78, $12.76 for a pack of four.
Part# 20-20830, 71006

The installer tool didnt work very well for these seals, didnt quite fit correctly on the seal. Good thing I bought 4 seals, screwed up the first two.
I made a seal installer that Jim showed, worked better, although I did used the tool I bought to knock down the spring. It slid up a bit putting on the seal.

jug · Dec 8, 2017

Here are the Kibblewhite white PTFE seals (71006-4) I just installed in one of Ken's heads.

splatt · Dec 8, 2017

A pilot on the installer would be nice instead of having to use the valve stem
I know the std seals are lower tech, but if you get them on , in the groove and all of the trapped air out of them they are a real pig to remove, but they are very easy not to fit in that condition, or there is probably a lot of valve guides that they don't fit properly

jug · Dec 8, 2017

splatt said:
A pilot on the installer would be nice instead of having to use the valve stem
I know the std seals are lower tech, but if you get them on , in the groove and all of the trapped air out of them they are a real pig to remove, but they are very easy not to fit in that condition, or there is probably a lot of valve guides that they don't fit properly

I turned up my own installer out of billet alloy using Jim's measurements as a guide, in about 10 minutes. Lubed the seals and guides with assembly lube and they were a breeze to fit. Wont get them back off though without destroying them.

cliffa · Dec 9, 2017

Cool kid, is that an Andover Norton T-shirt?

SteveBorland · Mar 18, 2020

jug said:
I turned up my own installer out of billet alloy using Jim's measurements as a guide, in about 10 minutes. Lubed the seals and guides with assembly lube and they were a breeze to fit. Wont get them back off though without destroying them.

I'm trying to install these seals, but the fit on the valve stem is really, really tight. Even with oil on the stem, when I tried to fit the first one, it tore the top of the seal off :-(

Now I've 3 left, question is how to do? I see no mention of having to use a taper tool as a pilot to open up the seal.
It's easy enough to put in on te valve guide, but to get the valve stem through - that's another story....

The Buckeye Rider · Mar 19, 2020

SteveBorland said:
I'm trying to install these seals, but the fit on the valve stem is really, really tight. Even with oil on the stem, when I tried to fit the first one, it tore the top of the seal off :-(

Now I've 3 left, question is how to do? I see no mention of having to use a taper tool as a pilot to open up the seal.
It's easy enough to put in on te valve guide, but to get the valve stem through - that's another story....

Steve, I just recently had the same problem. Soaking the seals in very hot water will soften them up a bit. Then try to push the seal on slightly crooked so the stem starts to go through a small portion of the seal to start. The installer tool seemed a little too much blunt force. I ended up using just my fingers and it was somewhat painful for the amount of pressure required. Once the stem is through it slides down nicely.
Ride On
Dave

cliffa · Mar 19, 2020

Steve, out of interest, are you doing this in situ or with the head off?

Cheers,

cliffa.

SteveBorland · Mar 19, 2020

cliffa said:
Steve, out of interest, are you doing this in situ or with the head off?

Cheers,

cliffa.

Head off on the bench. I'm using Steve Maney's inlet valves, and they seen to have less chamfer of the top edge the the standard valves.
I found an extra Mick Hemmings seal (with the spring), so I've fitted that and put the Teflon ones back in the bag for now.
I did try warming then with a heat gun, did not seem to make much difference, Reading your post though, I suspect the trick is to ease them over the valve stem first, then onto the valve guide. Mind you, if I have fit then at a future date, I will probably make up a taper tool.

I was just a bit puzzled that no one else seemed to be having problems.

cliffa · Mar 20, 2020

SteveBorland said:
Head off on the bench. I'm using Steve Maney's inlet valves, and they seen to have less chamfer of the top edge the the standard valves.
I found an extra Mick Hemmings seal (with the spring), so I've fitted that and put the Teflon ones back in the bag for now.
I did try warming then with a heat gun, did not seem to make much difference, Reading your post though, I suspect the trick is to ease them over the valve stem first, then onto the valve guide. Mind you, if I have fit then at a future date, I will probably make up a taper tool.

I was just a bit puzzled that no one else seemed to be having problems.

Are they white or red seals Steve?

SteveBorland · Mar 20, 2020

White, 71006 as recommended.

cliffa · Mar 20, 2020

SteveBorland said:
White, 71006 as recommended.

Thanks Steve, I was thinking of fitting those in situ, now I'm wondering...

SteveBorland · Mar 20, 2020

I think that making up a tapered tool would solve the problem nicely. I just did not have access to a lathe (its at work and I'm not!) and I had a Hemmings seal lying in my spares box, so I went that way.

cliffa · Mar 20, 2020

I guess that would be the answer. By the way did you buy them in Europe?

SteveBorland · Mar 20, 2020

no, Ebay in the US. Could not find anywhere in Europe with these.
Comnoz has them though, I suggest giving Jim a PM and ask him to send.

cliffa · Mar 21, 2020

Ok, thanks for the tip Steve.

chaztuna · Oct 16, 2020

comnoz said:
No, that is just what I measured using a cheap digital caliper. Chances are I bored it with a letter size bit.

It just needs to be a little larger than the spring on the top of the seal -after it is expanded over the valve stem.

They are on page 216 of their online catalogue. They always supply me with plenty of them. Jim

comnoz said:
Jim

Letter Z is .413" so it's not a letter drill. Probably turned it on the lathe. Since it's not critical, 15/32" is .469". The Norton products are located on pages 186 & 187 of the 2021 Kibblewhite digital catalog. The P/N 71006-4 valves seals are on page 300

Valve Guide Seal Mod (2016)

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