V4 Norton

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I thought I had already posted info on this bike, but I can't find it, so maybe it's another case of advancing senility. Anyway, this is what I know about this bike.





This Norton V-4 project was the brainchild of George Gjonovitch back in the '70s. Back then George owned a bike shop in Southern California, Horsepower International (HPI) in Garden Grove. George was a serious Norton innovator, and one of the first to sell big bore kits that sleeved 850 Norton cylinders out to 920 and 940 cc. He built and raced Norton drag racers, and built and worked on Norton road racers, flat trackers, and street bikes. He was also one of the first to sell a nitrous kit for Norton twins. I used to drop by and visit George pretty regularly in the '70s and '80s. He always had something interesting going on. George eventually became ill, and is no longer with us. He sold or closed the business many years ago. I originally saw the first castings for the V-4 crankcases at his home, but lost track of the project after that.

A decade or so later, I ran into the Greg Sanders, the current owner of the finished V-4 bike and the remaining spare parts. Greg was responsible for the patterns and castings for the crankcases. Greg contacted me about the alloy cylinders I was selling for Nortons. He was thinking about getting a couple for the V-4 to lose some weight on the engine. The bike was licensed, and Greg was riding it on the street at that time. I lost Greg's contact info years ago, but with the aid of the internet I was able to track him down again and find out the current status of the bike. Greg is alive and well in Long Beach, California. The V-4 is sitting in his garage, but he hasn’t ridden it for a couple years. Apparently the carburetors he was using on it didn’t work out, so he started on a manifold for a different set of carburetors. It is currently set up with a downdraft carburetor, but he feels he need to do a carburetor to feed each side. He as not done much on it for a while — like a lot of gearheads, he’s into other projects, and has been working on new ideas instead of an old bike.

He only did two sets of crankcase castings. He made the jigs and tooling to machine them, but only finished one set, the ones on the bike. The other cases still need to be machined. He had the crankshaft made to his specs from 4340 steel by a local shop (no longer in business). It has 3-main bearings and uses rods from a 429 Cadillac engine from 1964. A bushing is used in the small end, and the center main bearing is from a 350 Chevy. The drive side uses a self-aligning bearing, and the timing side using a regular Norton drive side setup. The design uses a Harley-Davidson frame and transmission. He says he has made the jig for the manifold.

Ken
 

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Ken, thanks for posting this. I love these type of projects. Over at Triplesonline.com there have been a few pics of four cylinder Tridents, equally fascinating. I'm sure a lot of you have seen the pics of the gent from the UK who created all of the multi-cylinder Kawasakis. 5 Cylinder inlines, two Z1s grafted into a V8, and a mighty V12 from a KZ 1300, etc. And the Velocette V twin Vulcan. These folks must lay in bed at night thinking "what if?"
 
Since I am the resident stupid question asking person on the forum, I will start the bidding. I certainly appreciate the expertise and craftsmanship, but why do it? I would think that the bike would weigh and ride like a Harley.
 
When George started the project, 30 years or so ago, it was because he was a Norton gearhead from way back, and he just thought it would be interesting to do. The choice of the HD frame was because it looked like it would fit pretty easily, and because he wanted to use a HD gearbox for its greater durability. He knew it wouldn't be in the same category as a modern OHC V-4, but that wasn't the point.

Ken
 
Diablouph said:
Since I am the resident stupid question asking person on the forum, I will start the bidding. I certainly appreciate the expertise and craftsmanship, but why do it? I would think that the bike would weigh and ride like a Harley.

Some people just can't resist, i have a photo somewhere of a 3 pot Harley. A third cylinder was added in front, near horizontal.
 
Some people just can't resist
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That's true! Back in the early seventies I put an Ariel square 4 engine, (4G, mk2, that's the four pipe one) into a slim-line featherbed frame, I used a Norton gearbox and clutch, I had to make up my own engine plates in Dural, (not something I could just go out and buy) and a mate who worked in an engineering firm made me a special mainshaft for the gearbox which needed to be half an inch longer than the original to get the chain alignment right. It all worked very successfully, there were quite a few Vincent/Nortons about but the Ariel/Norton wasn't often done as far as I know. I do now wish i'd kept it!

Dave.
 
The engine looks great but not too sure about the rest of the bike. Any word on how well it ran and what it was like to ride? Maybe a big Dellorto carb would be pretty cool.
 
Very interesting.
Can smell the super-hot rear exhaust valves from here.

Part of the secret of the Nortons good performance was the long straight inlet ports, and as been mentioned in the story, they have been sacrificed to get the engine configuration.... ?
 
Somewhere I've seen or saved the stages of the case combining and machining.
It'd be the coolest torque monster around and prettier than a Vincent V twin for chopper power plant. Head oil drainage must of been tricky too.

Here's the other V4
Norton, the Lazarus of motorcycling, continues to gain steam with its MotoGP project, as the latest news is that the British company is working on a 1,000cc V4 for its racing platform, which will debut in 2012 when the pinnacle of motorcycle racing reverts back to a liter bike capacity. Rumors had swelled that Spanish MotoGP hopeful Inmotec, who consistently fails to get its bike on the GP grid, could link up with Norton, likely in helping the British firm design its motor.
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I always thought a Norton v4 set up Guzzi style with Buggatti type "W"rods would be a neat exercise. Jim
 
Diablouph said:
Since I am the resident stupid question asking person on the forum, I will start the bidding. I certainly appreciate the expertise and craftsmanship, but why do it? I would think that the bike would weigh and ride like a Harley.

As others have said, why not :?: It is the same reason climbers go up the Everest and when all the easy routes have been done they search for the hard ones.

That is a very cool project if you have more and bigger pictures, please post them.

Jean
 
As others have said, why not It is the same reason climbers go up the Everest and when all the easy routes have been done they search for the hard ones.

That is a very cool project if you have more and bigger pictures, please post them.

But, Everest is the the highest, the bike is the slowest, hotest. I have to admit though, that case was gorg...e....o....shuis. I would dearly love to watch someone make even a simple case, like that.
 
Ken, I think you posted more photos of the cases and bottom end on the NOA list site some time ago. I don't recall seeing the whole bike.
 
RennieK said:
Ken, I think you posted more photos of the cases and bottom end on the NOA list site some time ago. I don't recall seeing the whole bike.

Could be. These pictures are scans of some old photos I've had for years. I may have had more at one time, but these are the only ones I was able to find.

Ken
 
I think I saw this in Walnecks years ago. Is this the same guy that was making the Super-V?
 
lcrken said:
When George started the project, 30 years or so ago, it was because he was a Norton gearhead from way back, and he just thought it would be interesting to do. The choice of the HD frame was because it looked like it would fit pretty easily, and because he wanted to use a HD gearbox for its greater durability. He knew it wouldn't be in the same category as a modern OHC V-4, but that wasn't the point.

Ken

Any news on the ole V4 project? :)
 
ntst8 said:
Diablouph said:
Since I am the resident stupid question asking person on the forum, I will start the bidding. I certainly appreciate the expertise and craftsmanship, but why do it? I would think that the bike would weigh and ride like a Harley.

Some people just can't resist, i have a photo somewhere of a 3 pot Harley. A third cylinder was added in front, near horizontal.

The designer/ builder of the W3 Harley was Jim Feuling, a former contract engineer who made those fast Oldsmobile 4-cylinders and pioneered the idea of anti-reversion exhausts which produced more bhp that larger conventional exhaust ports and pipes. The original W3 required a minimal amount of new parts, much like this Norton V4 and Alan Milyards multi-multi creations. Feuling was angling to get H-D to buy his patents for the W3 and actually mass produce it when he fell ill and subsequently passed away. The engine was smooth and powerful and not much heavier than a stock big twin. He kept the 45-degree cylinder angle, basically creating a 90-degree V-twin with an extra cylinder in the middle, rather than a 45-degree twin with another 45-degree cylinder in front. I saw one in the parking lot of The Broken Spoke in Sturgis in 2009 and it looked fantastic. Sadly, never got to hear it run.

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The concept is viable enough that BMW produced a prototype.

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