US election poll

Two links from Pew Research on just who voted. Looks like it comes down to Clinton's failure to get her voters to go out and vote. She suffered from a fall off in Black and Hispanic turnout. And, yes, more men voted for Trump, but not a lot, only 5% more men than Romney; mainly, she lost traditional ethic Democrats. Contrary to the MSM's narrative, Trump won more college educated, of all genders and ethnic groups, than Clinton did, by 4%. Democrats registered 4 Million more Latinos since 2012. Wow, how did Trump overcome that?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... education/

Trump won white voters by a margin almost identical to that of Mitt Romney . . .

Hillary Clinton did not run as strongly among these core Democratic groups as Obama did in 2012. Clinton held an 80-point advantage among blacks (88% to 8%) compared with Obama’s 87-point edge four years ago (93% to 6%). . .

Women supported Clinton over Trump by 54% to 42%. This is about the same as the Democratic advantage among women in 2012 (55% Obama vs. 44% Romney) . . .

By 53% to 41%, more men supported Trump than Clinton (the 12-point margin is identical to the margin by which women supported Clinton). The advantage for Trump among men is larger than the 7-point advantage Romney had in 2012 . . . .

The gender gap in presidential vote preference is among the widest in exit polls dating back to 1972. However, it is not dramatically higher than in some other recent elections, including the 2000 contest between Bush and Al Gore. . . .

among white college graduates – a group that many identified as key for a potential Clinton victory – Trump outperformed Clinton by a narrow 4-point margin." . . .
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... for-obama/

. . . a record 27.3 million of Latinos were eligible to vote in 2016, up 4 million from four years ago – the largest increase of any racial or ethnic group. And the Latino electorate grew in many states since 2012, including the battlegrounds of Arizona, Florida and Nevada. . . .

Hillary Clinton won 65% of Latino voters on Tuesday . . . Clinton’s share of the Latino vote was lower than in 2012, when 71% of Latinos voted to reelect Obama. . . . .

Trump won 29% of the Latino vote, a similar share to 2012, when Mitt Romney won 27% . . .

68% of Hispanic voters opposed building a wall along the entire U.S. border with Mexico, compared with 46% of whites and 82% of blacks, . . . .

46% of Hispanics cited the economy as the most important issue facing the country, followed by terrorism (20%), immigration (19%) and foreign policy (11%). . . .

national exit poll suggests that Latinos did make up a larger share of voters in 2016 than previously: 11% this year, up from 10% in 2012 and 9% in 2008.Yet preliminary estimates that show fewer votes may have been cast nationwide compared with 2012, leaving it unclear . . . .
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Well I Never. Bart Simpson . The Leader of the Known Universe .

Beats Selma & Patty , anyway .

A disco bunny on the radio this morning , here . " I dont believe it & I just cant understand it " :lol: :lol: :lol: Youd Have to HAVE A BRAIN to do that ! . :wink:

The BBC hysteria resorts to ' The effects on the Markets ' and similar grasping degeneracy .
The media cant understand that NOT EVERYBODY believes the hysterical demented spacticity .

Then the snots ' it sounds like all the COUNTRY people voted for him , infering there backward, other than in ' the City of London , and similar places.
Were the Traffic Fumes seem to have some effect .

The Media in The Wild .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKLKqYTO1TM

Sounds like theyve got nothing better to do, than watch television , in the Cities . When theyre not dreaming up further deluded ' sciences ' . :mrgreen: :shock: :cry:
 
acotrel said:
President Trump - our man in the Republican Party.
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Except he's not a Republican, not by a long chalk.
Big stimulus budget plans = not a small government man at all.

Be interesting to see what he can get through and past his own party, when its soooo contrary to party policy.

BTW, anyone note that mention of Prez Trump, as reported in The Simpsons of eons ago. (!)
Prophetic words ?
 
xbacksideslider said:
The US economy has not been truly "capitalist" since the 19th century.
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Yes, that abolition of slavery really drove a stake through the heart of the true blooded Capitalists. !
 
Rohan said:
xbacksideslider said:
The US economy has not been truly "capitalist" since the 19th century.
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Yes, that abolition of slavery really drove a stake through the heart of the true blooded Capitalists. !
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Not to mention child labor.
 
Now that we have had the result of the election it looks like a Trump Tower will be built next to the White House and as DT says that the wall will be built, look out for Gold medal winning Mexican Pole vaults at the rest of the Olympics Game the rest of this century :!:
Looks like it was a bad week to quit drinking :?: :(
 
I purposely stayed OUT of politics on this forum, because I can get "worked up" on the topic elsewhere, and didn't want it to creep into this forum where civility, tolerance, and cooperation is the overwhelming norm.

I'm going to leave this topic now, and I've already forgotten who said what about who (a small benefit to creeping memory loss).

I REALLY appreciate this forum, and don't want this topic to change that.
 
The history of both slavery abolition and child labor abolition track each other.

Both slavery and child labor were defended vigorously by Democrats in the South and opposed by Republicans in the North. It was, after all, Abraham Lincoln who freed to slaves and of course for those of you who want to forget, he was a Republican. And it was the Progressive Republicans in the North who championed the abolition of child labor.

Throughout most of the 20th century, the generally Democrat agrarian states in the Midwest opposed child labor laws on the grounds that they wanted their children to work on their farms. The same was true in the Dixiecrat South where agrarian interests also argued for child labor.

The Ku Klux Klan was, after all, the terror wing of the Southern Democrats and Woodrow Wilson did host the premiere of DW Griffith's racist movie "Birth of a Nation" at the White House. Democrat Wilson also reinstated segregation in the federal government. Democrat racism continues today with the racist claim that Blacks and Hispanics, somehow, are incapable of obtaining ID sufficient for voter registration.

It is true that organized labor consistently argued against child labor laws because children compete with the members of labor unions. For decades, there was a split between big city union Democrats and agrarian Democrats across the Midwest and the South on the issue of child labor .

Facts are a bitch.
 
Well its has happened the voters just didn't trust Clinton, plus they wanted a change, things weren't to rosey in the great US of A, so now the people wanted a change to a new direction, who knows Trump may change things for the better or worst only time will tell, all the rest of the world will be watching closely, just hope that the people were right and hopefully the next time you vote I just hope you get to choose better people than what you had to pick this time around, the world can't get any crazier than it already is or could it.

Ashley
 
xbacksideslider said:
The history of both slavery abolition and child labor abolition track each other.

Both slavery and child labor were defended vigorously by Democrats in the South and opposed by Republicans in the North. It was, after all, Abraham Lincoln who freed to slaves and of course for those of you who want to forget, he was a Republican. And it was the Progressive Republicans in the North who championed the abolition of child labor.

Throughout most of the 20th century, the generally Democrat agrarian states in the Midwest opposed child labor laws on the grounds that they wanted their children to work on their farms. The same was true in the Dixiecrat South where agrarian interests also argued for child labor.

The Ku Klux Klan was, after all, the terror wing of the Southern Democrats and Woodrow Wilson did host the premiere of DW Griffith's racist movie "Birth of a Nation" at the White House. Democrat Wilson also reinstated segregation in the federal government. Democrat racism continues today with the racist claim that Blacks and Hispanics, somehow, are incapable of obtaining ID sufficient for voter registration.

It is true that organized labor consistently argued against child labor laws because children compete with the members of labor unions. For decades, there was a split between big city union Democrats and agrarian Democrats across the Midwest and the South on the issue of child labor .

Facts are a bitch.
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The names Democrat and Republican only have meaning when related to a period history. After the Civil Rights movement and legislation in the 60"s (authored by Democrats) the South flipped and became Republican and has been that way ever since.

If it weren't for organized labor, we'd all be wage slaves working 80 hours a week until we die and there would STILL be child labor because nobody else had the balls to do anything about it. And when organized labor is gone, all of the above will return. Agrarians have always been in favor of child labor, which is why public schoolchildren STILL get 3 months of vacation every year-so they will be available to work in the fields. Yes, facts are truly a bitch. But they're not YOUR bitch.
 
ashman said:
Well its has happened the voters just didn't trust Clinton, plus they wanted a change, things weren't to rosey in the great US of A, so now the people wanted a change to a new direction, who knows Trump may change things for the better or worst only time will tell, all the rest of the world will be watching closely, just hope that the people were right and hopefully the next time you vote I just hope you get to choose better people than what you had to pick this time around, the world can't get any crazier than it already is or could it.

Ashley
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He already has 75 lawsuits pending, the first of which is over his scam university, which will hit the courts next month.And he STILL hasn't released his tax returns because he hasn't paid any in 20 years. Hail to the Pussygrabber-in-Chief.
 
Be REALLY careful what you wish for. If tRump goes down in flames before his term is up, we get President Pence. I wasn't that wild about having Hillary as Prez, but I'd rather have "the Donald" rather than some barely known politician who is a rabid Christian evangelist of a denomination we haven't been told about. He scares the hell out of me (an agnostic with atheistic leanings). I'd really prefer not to be pushed into a repatriation to the UK after almost 60 years in the US, but Pence might be enough to make the push!
 
frankdamp said:
Be REALLY careful what you wish for. If tRump goes down in flames before his term is up, we get President Pence. I wasn't that wild about having Hillary as Prez, but I'd rather have "the Donald" rather than some barely known politician who is a rabid Christian evangelist of a denomination we haven't been told about. He scares the hell out of me (an agnostic with atheistic leanings). I'd really prefer not to be pushed into a repatriation to the UK after almost 60 years in the US, but Pence might be enough to make the push!
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Agreed Frank, Pence is just as bad if not worse!

As far as leaving is concerned, like you, I am really happy where I am, but.... to think we're citizens of a nation where so many bear so much loathing for their fellow human beings is more than unsettling. I may be worth leaving if it gets as bad as it may. Re neg on the Paris Agreement? deport millions of immigrants? That's not going to make anything great again.

I honestly believe that trump'll give up on must of his campaign BS; he's going to have a hard enough time coping with the reality that he's made for himself. have you seen him on election night or in the oval office? deer caught in the headlights.

Its a time for reasonable individuals who care about the future to regroup, and get active on a local and state level.
And a real good time for other thoughts;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/1 ... nyone-else
 
Thats the beauty about being british. Even with a US citizenship, i can still go home if i want. Not sure that its any better in the UK. The sun shines everyday here lol
 
DonOR said:
have you seen him on election night or in the oval office? deer caught in the headlights.
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Similar has been said in quite a few places, but your words really bring it home. !
Steep learning curve ahead....

And he has to get the nod from his own party first on all his wild thought bubbles in the campaign.
Being a fly on the wall for them would make for a good reality tv show !?
 
Yes, Trump is an amateur; that helped get him elected; lacking polish, his crass fumbles and errors were overlooked.

He spoke the unspeakable - build the wall, euro freeloaders should pay for NATO, illegal aliens, illegal alien crime, racially politicized judges, regulations that force jobs/factories abroad, stupid tax policy, stupid energy policy, stupid climate policy . . . .

But the above is not what really got him elected.

Ethnic Americans stayed home.

Many loyal ethnic Democrats were disgusted with Clinton. They just stayed home.
They should be congratulated. They refused to vote for a lying bribe taker.
They wanted to, but could not. Good for them.

Instead the smug, know it all pundits, condescend.
They refuse to recognize this admirable expression of Black and Hispanic character.
Closet racists that they are, they even say "Blacks who voted for Obama stayed home because Clinton isn't Black."

This, the same racist one party punditocracy that agrees "Blacks and Hispanics are incapable of getting an ID."
This, the same racist one party punditocracy that, in a sellout to school unions, inflicts horrible schools on big city Blacks and Hispanics, and denies them school choice.

Black Lives Matter has a point; big city Democrat pols are caught between two constituencies - police unions, which protect a very few bad police from just punishment for what they do to their Black victims, and their Black citizens.

Someone referenced, "the left's soft bigotry of low expectations." No, it is worse than that. Contrary to the teachings of the engines of our culture, actual palpable racism in America is on and from the left.
 
Soft Brexit or hard Brexit, soft Trump or hard Trump-either way I bet the sale of toilet air fresheners fly off the shelves, buy your NOW :!: :eek:
 
xbacksideslider said:
The history of both slavery abolition and child labor abolition track each other.

Both slavery and child labor were defended vigorously by Democrats in the South and opposed by Republicans in the North. It was, after all, Abraham Lincoln who freed to slaves and of course for those of you who want to forget, he was a Republican. And it was the Progressive Republicans in the North who championed the abolition of child labor.
Throughout most of the 20th century, the generally Democrat agrarian states in the Midwest opposed child labor laws on the grounds that they wanted their children to work on their farms. The same was true in the Dixiecrat South where agrarian interests also argued for child labor.
The Ku Klux Klan was, after all, the terror wing of the Southern Democrats and Woodrow Wilson did host the premiere of DW Griffith's racist movie "Birth of a Nation" at the White House. Democrat Wilson also reinstated segregation in the federal government. Democrat racism continues today with the racist claim that Blacks and Hispanics, somehow, are incapable of obtaining ID sufficient for voter registration.
It is true that organized labor consistently argued against child labor laws because children compete with the members of labor unions. For decades, there was a split between big city union Democrats and agrarian Democrats across the Midwest and the South on the issue of child labor . Facts are a bitch.
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You said it, Facts are a bitch…………. If I may, regarding the “abolition of slavery” was carried out by the British in 1833 -and I say those words loosely as even when slavery was abolished slaves still existed on the tea, Tabaco plantations e.t.c all over the place until those existing slaves either died out or where set free
Slavery Abolition Act 1833;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_A ... n_Act_1833
The Act had its third reading in the House of Commons on 26 July 1833, three days before William Wilberforce died.
The American Civil War was a civil war in the United States fought from 1861 to 1865;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
The 16th president of the United States was Lincoln;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
 
Trump's approach to neoliberal globalised free trade is interesting. In Australia, at the time of federation of the states (1901), there were two main political groups - the free traders and the protectionists. Perhaps not much has changed since then ? I think the both vote for Trump and Brexit were rejections of Thatcher and Reagan's adoption of Hayek's neoliberalism, which has cost many of us so dearly in the form of lost job opportunities.
 
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