Turn signals

Well - the Kisan Signalminder SM-1 is still great - although I have now set the cancel to 20 (seconds/flashes), paused by the brake light - 10 seconds I found to be too short.
The Motogadget M-stop story was not so good for the brake light. It would rapidly flash the brake light only once, after the ignition was switched on - after that, only solid "on". Contacted Motogadget but unfortunately they were unable to help. I tried putting the supplied resistor in parallel to the LED tail-light but that, also, didn't work.
so... I bought the Kisan Tailblazer 100HD.
Arrived today, very small. Took 10 minutes to install (fits under the tail-light fairing).
It's great - rapid and reducing frequency flashing of brake light for first 1 or 2 seconds before solid "on".
Just what I wanted. Might not improve visibility if everyone has one - but, as I'm in the minority, I think it will work nicely.
Based on my experimenting so far - I would recommend the Kisan Signalminder SM-1 and the Kisan Tailblazer 100HD for Norton riders.
Gives you:
1. self cancelling indicators (in case you forget - we all do!)
2. indicators as half strength running lights (optional)
3. flashing (initially) brake light
Cheers
 
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Well - the Kisan Signalminder SM-1 is still great - although I have now set the cancel to 20 (seconds/flashes), paused by the brake light - 10 seconds I found to be too short.
The Motogadget M-stop story was not so good for the brake light. It would rapidly flash the brake light only once, after the ignition was switched on - after that, only solid "on". Contacted Motogadget but unfortunately they were unable to help. I tried putting the supplied resistor in parallel to the LED tail-light but that, also, didn't work.
so... I bought the Kisan Tailblazer 100HD.
Arrived today, very small. Took 10 minutes to install (fits under the tail-light fairing).
It's great - rapid and reducing frequency flashing of brake light for first 1 or 2 seconds before solid "on".
Just what I wanted. Might not improve visibility if everyone has one - but, as I'm in the minority, I think it will work nicely.
Based on my experimenting so far - I would recommend the Kisan Signalminder SM-1 and the Kisan Tailblazer 100HD for Norton riders.
Gives you:
1. self cancelling indicators (in case you forget - we all do!)
2. indicators as half strength running lights (optional)
3. flashing (initially) brake light
Cheers
Good to hear its working well for you. Remind us again, have you got both the SignalMinder and TailBlazer running on a positive earth Commando?
 
Good to hear its working well for you. Remind us again, have you got both the SignalMinder and TailBlazer running on a positive earth Commando

@batrider is correct - mine is negative earth.
Although my, now redundant, Motogadget M-stop is now on a friend's positive earth Mk3. Just installed "backwards" - works fine.
Cheers
 
@batrider is correct - mine is negative earth.
Although my, now redundant, Motogadget M-stop is now on a friend's positive earth Mk3. Just installed "backwards" - works fine.
Cheers
That makes sense with what you reported, it flashing only at power on....so it was actually flashing the tail lamp, not the brake lamp I guess.
 
That makes sense with what you reported, it flashing only at power on....so it was actually flashing the tail lamp, not the brake lamp I guess.
No - I don't think it's a polarity thing.
...and it was flashing the brake light (first application only) on my, negative earth bike.
I suspect it was a resistance thing. I tried the supplied 330ohm resistor in parallel but no go.
If I had mucked about with different resistors, maybe...
But my mate needed self cancelling and I had already decided on the Tailblazer - thanks to your recommendation.
So now the M-stop is doing what it appears to do best - albeit without the great "pause" of the Signalminder
Thanks & cheers
 
@batrider is correct - mine is negative earth.
Although my, now redundant, Motogadget M-stop is now on a friend's positive earth Mk3. Just installed "backwards" - works fine.
Cheers
Does your friend have LED bulbs in the signals?
 
Does your friend have LED bulbs in the signals?
No - he has normal (?) incandescent bulbs.
Although, I had no problems with the indicator cancelling function with my LED indicators.
I just did not like it "timing out" at traffic lights - especially as Kisan offered an alternative.
 
No - he has normal (?) incandescent bulbs.
Although, I had no problems with the indicator cancelling function with my LED indicators.
I just did not like it "timing out" at traffic lights - especially as Kisan offered an alternative.
Thanks
 
No - he has normal (?) incandescent bulbs.
Although, I had no problems with the indicator cancelling function with my LED indicators.
I just did not like it "timing out" at traffic lights - especially as Kisan offered an alternative.
Rob,
I took out my LED bulbs and eliminated the resistor.Now the signals stop at 20 seconds.
I was just trying to get the self-canceling option from the m-stop so I am pleased.Thanks for the help
Also this is with positive ground
Mike
 
I have a hard time understanding the signal left on thing (I have a friend of 45 years who did it, with his T140, several years of intensive ball busting seemed to have cured him) , like scanning your mirrors as you go down the road, a 10 millisecond glance at the switch on the way to the RH mirror. Also, keep your thumb on the flipper until it's time to cancel. Force yourself, it becomes second nature.
My bikes with self cancelling signals, I always turn them off when I feel it's time, or force them on 2-3 cycles when it's appropriate. "Body language" is extremely important to staying alive in traffic.
 
My bikes with self cancelling signals, I always turn them off when I feel it's time, or force them on 2-3 cycles when it's appropriate. "Body language" is extremely important to staying alive in traffic.
I have a friend with a Harley who refuses to cancel his blinkers. If I'm following him and he signals for a 3 second lane change the long timeout makes me think he's taking a turn, so I put my blinkers on too. Then his self cancels and I'm left MF'ing him. It's totally inconsiderate and I won't follow him any more. He doesn't care.
 
Good to hear its working well for you. Remind us again, have you got both the SignalMinder and TailBlazer running on a positive earth Commando?
Had a strange happening recently - don't ask me exactly when.
My Kisan Signalminder is set to use the indicators as half-strength running lights. This means the warning lights on the console also glow a bit.
I also have a Kisan Tailblazer, which rapidly flashes the brake light for about a second or so before going on "solid".

The recent occurrence is that, when I apply the brakes, the console indicator warning lights also flash (like the brake light)
I have now checked, and the half strength indicators also flash, at half strength, in time with the brake light, including the front ones - unless an indicator is on, in which case the "flashy thing" doesn't happen on the indicator and it just does its usual job.

Quite strange, as it would require a crossover function between the Signalminder and the Tailblazer.
Not saying it's a bad thing (the indicators should be "on" before you brake) but... why the change?
Have you seen this?
Cheers
 
No have not seen that. Could it be the system power levels are marginal and so when brake flashing, it is making a significant power drop throughout all lamps and/or the flasher unit itself?

Is brake LED or incandescent?
Check grounding points of lights and flasher for clean connection.

Only issue I've had was when I got the flasher wet from power washing. Strange things were happening with indicators. Completely solve via a good spray out with WD40 and then wrapping flasher in a plastic baggie. Never to get wet again.
 
Rob,
I took out my LED bulbs and eliminated the resistor.Now the signals stop at 20 seconds.
I was just trying to get the self-canceling option from the m-stop so I am pleased.Thanks for the help
Also this is with positive ground
Mike
M-stop supply resistors with the unit so you should be able to use these in parallel with your LEDs and it should work.
The resistors just add a bit of load.
Cheers
 
Reading about the various self cancel modules, it seems that Signal Dynamics might have the system best suited to real conditions.
It works with LED lights without the need to add resistors.
It did does require a momentary indicator switch, or conversion of your existing switch to momentary.

A one second push on the switch gives 7 flashes, good for changing lanes or passing. I use this 7 flash mode a lot.

A two second push gives 15 flashes, good for turning a corner on the roll. This mode gets used quite a bit as well.

A 4 second push gives 60 flashes, good for sitting at a red traffic light.
I try to avoid places that have traffic lights, but now and then this mode is needed.

A second button can be added for hazard lights.

They also have a more complex module that runs the brake light and indicators. That one operates the indicators as running lights and brake lights.
I have that on a bike, not sure it's an improvement over the basic unit, which is also less costly.

I have been using the basic self cancelling unit for 11 years now.

Glen

 
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Reading about the various self cancel modules, it seems that Signal Dynamics might have the system best suited to real conditions.
It works with LED lights without the need to add resistors.
It did does require a momentary indicator switch, or conversion of your existing switch to momentary.

A one second push on the switch gives 7 flashes, good for changing lanes or passing. I use this 7 flash mode a lot.

A two second push gives 15 flashes, good for turning a corner on the roll. This mode gets used quite a bit as well.

A 4 second push gives 60 flashes, good for sitting at a red traffic light.
I try to avoid places that have traffic lights, but now and then this mode is needed.

A second button can be added for hazard lights.

They also have a more complex module that runs the brake light and indicators. That one operates the indicators as running lights and brake lights.
I have that on a bike, not sure it's an improvement over the basic unit, which is also less costly.

I have been using the basic self cancelling unit for 11 years now.

Glen

Seems the Kisan signal minder does the same but keeps the turns flashing as long as brake lamp is on, so no issues with standing at a long light etc. I run mine without altering stock Triumph latching turn switch, though there is instructions on how to modify to be momentary provided.
I just wish there was a positive earth option for these setups.
 
Does the Kisan have a short lane change mode plus the longer cornering mode?
From my reading it has three selectable time-outs via dipswitch, pick one and go with it. So it seems it would just have one mode while moving.
It's the 1 second and 2 second modes of the Signal Dynamics that I use most.



Glen
 
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Does the Kisan have a short lane change mode plus the longer cornering mode?

Glen
Not a mode for that but you just cancel when wanted by pushing switch again. If momentary switch thats one push for on, one for off again. For latching switch, one on to start flashing, then a cycle to off/on/off to turn off when wanted. Of course if you mess up, it will just auto cancel after the preset delay (10-30 second).
 
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