TT Industries Gearbox Delay
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What’s wrong with ordering a 5 speed g/box from Quaife here in the UK :?:
http://shop.quaife.co.uk/catalogsearch/ ... 750+norton
http://shop.quaife.co.uk/catalogsearch/ ... 750+norton
Fast Eddie
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Bernhard said:
They won't sell to you! Try it and see, they will tell you to contact Mick Hemmings as he is their sole retail outlet for Norton products (for UK at least, and I assume global).
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UK customs are shit bags, I bought a damaged part from the us, add the vat and £8 royal mail charge ..it cost double! If there is a value below £15 it gets through . £15 wow ..thanks a bunch :twisted:
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Bernhard said:
Nothing wrong with a Quaife 5 speed g/box. In fact they offer a very good quality product but I had to buy mine from Hemmings, I wonder if it is also possible to order directly from Quaife nowadays :?: (according to Fast Eddie it still isn't)
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B+Bogus said:
Andy, the reason I know that Quaife won't sell direct is because I called them last year and they told me to go to Mick.
The second point of note here is that my reason for calling them was to enquire about their heavy duty strengthened shell. The story here is that despite it being on their web site, it is not available and hasn't been for "several years"! So Mick wasn't short changing you in any way with regards to that. And, the AN shell is strengthened over the original, and is basically 'the' shell now it seems.
However, if you're unhappy with your Quaife box, I'll do a PX with you on my nice 4 speed c/w AN shell !!
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Completely different.
Completely different.
Fast Eddie said:
Well that is understandable. Some companies will not deal direct with Joe Public, so they have shop outlets-you can’t get spark plugs direct from the manufacturer for example, unless you are trade for instance.
It is always worth trying you luck to offer cash and ask for 10% discount –you never know.
But do tell us, after paying for the box from down under, paying the postage and Customs & Excise is there any savings to be made on this method than for a home UK manufacturer who has spares right on your doorstep rather than the other side of the world :?:
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Well that is understandable. Some companies will not deal direct with Joe Public, so they have shop outlets-you can’t get spark plugs direct from the manufacturer for example, unless you are trade for instance.
It is always worth trying you luck to offer cash and ask for 10% discount –you never know.
But do tell us, after paying for the box from down under, paying the postage and Customs & Excise is there any savings to be made on this method than for a home UK manufacturer who has spares right on your doorstep rather than the other side of the world :?:[/quote]
Ahh cut the crap. we are on the right side of the world and we still love our nortons. The best heads come from across the ditch as well.
Dereck,
ps and don't forget, we can make 1920 Indians do about 200 mph.
It is always worth trying you luck to offer cash and ask for 10% discount –you never know.
But do tell us, after paying for the box from down under, paying the postage and Customs & Excise is there any savings to be made on this method than for a home UK manufacturer who has spares right on your doorstep rather than the other side of the world :?:[/quote]
Ahh cut the crap. we are on the right side of the world and we still love our nortons. The best heads come from across the ditch as well.
Dereck,
ps and don't forget, we can make 1920 Indians do about 200 mph.
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Bernhard said:
The first question is, are you comparing apples with apples? and the answer is no.
Mick makes a good product with the Quaife parts and it has history, great for many applications. Mick was in the IoM last year providing a support service to many riders who chose his boxes and I hear they scored a wide range of good race results.
However, in some applications, lets for argument sake say a 1007 torque monster race bike, or a racing sidecar with almost any engine, you will most likely not choose a cam plate Quaife....because you will most likely choose to use the most heavyweight and strong box you can find, which today is a 5 Speed TTi drum change.
OK it comes all the way from NZ....
Not really a problem.
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One thing I've been curious about, and haven't seen discussed here, is how the latest Quaife design, with the modern drum shifter mechanism, compares to the TT, which also uses the drum shift mechanism. Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the internals? Are there differences in shaft diameters or gear widths, or other design details that might make one sturdier than the other? I've used the older Quaife 5-speeds with cam plate shifters for over 40 years now, with only occasional failures, but I'm sure you wouldn't pick them over the newer designs for any reason except cost. Like SteveA said, if you're building a serious, large displacement engine, you'd want to go with one of the newer designs. I'm really impressed with the quality of the TT boxes, but I've been using Quaifes for so long, as well as relying on Mick for support, that if they are of equal quality, I'd stick with Quaife and Mick.
An interesting side note to this discussion. Back in the day I used to buy replacement parts by mail directly from R. T. Quaife Engineering, but that was when it was still run by Rod and his wife (Marjorie?). I still have invoices signed by "M.J. Quaife, Sales." The last order I had filled directly from Quaife Engineering was in 1991, so the change to Mick as their only outlet for Norton bits must have happened sometime after that. I don't have any problem with that. Mick has always been great to deal with, and very helpful.
Edit - I should add that I have looked at the detailed pictures on the TTI site, and their setup certainly looks stout enough! But I haven't been able to find similar pictures of the Hemmings/Quaife camdrum box to compare.
Ken
An interesting side note to this discussion. Back in the day I used to buy replacement parts by mail directly from R. T. Quaife Engineering, but that was when it was still run by Rod and his wife (Marjorie?). I still have invoices signed by "M.J. Quaife, Sales." The last order I had filled directly from Quaife Engineering was in 1991, so the change to Mick as their only outlet for Norton bits must have happened sometime after that. I don't have any problem with that. Mick has always been great to deal with, and very helpful.
Edit - I should add that I have looked at the detailed pictures on the TTI site, and their setup certainly looks stout enough! But I haven't been able to find similar pictures of the Hemmings/Quaife camdrum box to compare.
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lcrken said:
http://www.accessnorton.com/norman-white-article-from-classic-racer-t17591.html
Scroll down to the Hemmings ad - best picture I've found so far, and haven't heard anything about it since.
From the photo it looks like it uses (would have used?) a regular configuration Norton shell.
The double ball-race sleeve gear bearing on the TTI box is a pretty compelling positive, but the Maney outrigger bearing does a similar job for Norton/Quaife.
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Thanks, Andy. I've seen that picture from Mick's ads, but was hoping for some more detail. Comparing the pictures, it does look like the TTI box is by far the sturdier of the two. I was just hoping for someone who has actually seen them both to chime in. Oh well, it was just idle curiosity on my part. Either one would be outside my budget at this time.
Ken
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Ahh cut the crap. we are on the right side of the world and we still love our nortons. The best heads come from across the ditch as well.
Dereck,
ps and don't forget, we can make 1920 Indians do about 200 mph.[/quote]
What the frecking heck is this in aid off :?: :shock:
I asked, what I considered a perfectly innocence and polite question, because I was merely curious as to the difference in comparing the price between the two gearboxes- then some jerk for reasons best known to himself, attempts to bites my head off :!:
You should get out more, and stop attacking other people for asking sensible questions.
Matchless has still not bothered to answered my question.
I had the same question as Bernhard and did some searching. I'm not sure how old the pricing I found for the Quaife is, but it appears the cost is about £2400 for the complete Quaife box, not much different than the TTI.
My other question is at what power level is the gearbox upgrade to a TTI or Quaife necessary?
I am getting old and lazy, starting to enjoy four simple gears and lots of torque (850 or Vin) so see the five or six speed as less desireable than the four these days.
Glen
My other question is at what power level is the gearbox upgrade to a TTI or Quaife necessary?
I am getting old and lazy, starting to enjoy four simple gears and lots of torque (850 or Vin) so see the five or six speed as less desireable than the four these days.
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The best antique factory era of Norton racing were 750's tearing up the competition till AMC's failed them time and again, so with race intense operation I'd say 80' hp and upper 60 lbft torque. Late Dunncan Campbell out of Joplin MO. was the 1st Nortoneer I meet d/t his selling off trailer loads of Commando stuff had photo's on his shop wall of blown and unblown wil long all out 1/4 m dragsters, told me he got away with AMC till about 100 hp level then had to switch to Harley solution. I asked about how he got 100 hp w/o blower to be shocked at this limping on cane depressed with life's and times dissappointments, wake TFUP jumping around doing a dance slapping his knee and yelling Them Norton LOVE NORRIS D+ cams, on and on for over a min. Just before he died I phoned him for some advise and again asked about came slections to have him drop the phone hearing him yelling THEM NORTON"S JUST LOVE NORRIS D+ CAM!!! My P!! had to be in upper 80's hp as quickest craft I've ever been in and treated it like it was bullet proof getting my nuts off on its severe acceleration anywhere everywhere I could taking on the Triple smokes of the day peddling thought screaming gear changes from down low- P!! only had to snick to 3rd to float front running away from them including the fella I got it from H2. Triumph Triple guys would pull up at lights seeing such a tiny low open 50cc's looking size antque cycle and rev up and larch forward to annonce their intensions --- til I bave a BLIP and let clutch out an instant w/o any throttle to have lower have appear a bike length ahead while my head held still and instant then stretched whiplassed to catch up --- they'd idle down tail betwwen legs and turn off main road at 1st opportunity. Only issue with the P!! drive train was clutch plates grimed to stick which required WOT clutch drop in 2nd at 15 mph to hopefull break free before tire did. I would do brakeless clutch drop burns out going through gears to 4th with tach showing over 8grand and not move a bike length forward in choking smoke clouds. So AMC pretty good for their age and poor design. My impression of AMC weakness is the shafts twist and bow to miss align cogs that then break up but shafts have sprung back so not detected as base issue until bent enough to stay bent enough to detect what's happening.
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