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That’s all Folks 2

Discussion in 'Norton Motorcycles (Modern)' started by Steve Moore, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. Britfan60

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    Absolutely no doubt exterior fit and finish on the Norton is way better than most. Its sheer beauty and quality of components sold me (except for snapping parts like chain guard and tank bracket) Betting more fun to ride too except for the Speed Twin haven't tried that.
    But...like they say....chrome don't get ya home.
     
  2. worntorn

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    That's a shame on the finish. I don't know why my 05 Daytona looks so good. There isn't much chrome on it but what's there is real.
    No centre stand on the Speed Twin to save weight. It's a light bike, lighter than some modern Sport bikes. True, it isn't a Sport bike, but it rolls on 60-80 faster than an Aprilia RSV4 Factory. Same zero to sixty as well, 3 seconds.
    I guess a paddock stand and bobbins is the answer.

    Glen
     
  3. alwaysal

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    I don't really buy that about manufacturer's reasoning being to save weight. It wouldn't be much extra and low down so negligible effect on handling, and as you say - it's already a light bike.
    I also think the time effect on acceleration times would be so minute as to be unmeasurable - and irrelevant anyway on a road bike. If you were involved in competitive racing you might think differently of course - but then you could always remove the stand!
    Bike magazine gives the 0-60 time as 3.44 sec. and the excellent roll on times are really more to do with the engine characteristics than anything else. Quite modest horsepower for the capacity but huge torque coupled with short gearing.
     
  4. Fast Eddie

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    Not fitting a centre stand does two great things for the manufacturer.

    First, it saves money. A few £ off of every product adds up to a nice saving over a year.

    Second, it allows them to sell centre stands. A few tens of £s per sale adds up to a nice revenue stream over a year.

    Quite literally, a win-win !
     
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  5. worntorn

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    True, and what buyer doesn't look at those dry weight numbers?
    The lower the better.
    It's a win , win, win.

    Glen
     
  6. contours

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    My brother was eyeing both a Speedmaster and the Bobber when he visited the local Triumph dealer to trade the 961. By the way, it turns out the reason they considered the trade in the first place is because they WILL work on them. In the end he and I agreed on the Bobber with the 16" front wheel, dual front disc brakes and beefed up front forks. That's what I'll be riding on my visit 2 weeks from today.
     
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  7. Fast Eddie

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    Oh well, it’s time for me too.

    Too many bikes covering the same genre and too little space means that, with regret, I have let the 961 go.

    Look out for Thiel pipes and other goodies in the for sale section shortly...
     
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  8. MxMartin

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    Noooooooooo.......... !
     
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  9. MxMartin

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    I went to look at a Bobber, ended up falling in love with the Thruxton, which then revived my craving for a Norton CR..... funny how things pan out.
     
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  10. Fast Eddie

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    A frayed so.
     
  11. BritTwit

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    Makin' run for a Road King?
     
  12. Fast Eddie

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    A frayed knot.

    Feisty little Italian number...
     
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  13. MxMartin

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    As my mum used to say, those feisty Italians are all skirt and no knickers.... but that wouldn't stop me flirting with one :)
     
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  14. contours

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    That was a short love affair, FE. o_O
     
  15. Fast Eddie

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    Now then, which way to Italy ...?
     
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  16. MxMartin

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    I took the 961 out today, 109 miles in total, exploring many of the remote less well travelled backroads around my local coast. Our A roads aren't too bad but full of cars, our B roads are riddled with potholes and subsidence, our remote backroads are absolutely dire, not much better than dirt tracks, and being harvest time are full of the sort of machines nightmares are made of. These coastal roads are peppered with small 'holiday villages' littered with old folk on mobility scooters and nature hikers. I lost count of the number of times the bumps in the road threw me out of the seat. I lost count of the number of times I temporarily lost traction as the wheels crossed yet another patch of spilled wheat grains or sand blown across the road. I lost count of the number of times I slammed on the brakes as a suicidal hiker stepped out of a hedgerow into my path. The 961 cafe racer is NOT a tour bike, it's NOT an adventure bike, it is certainly NOT a bike for all seasons, she just loves to blatt along the B roads at a satisfying pace and if there is a good cafe at the end of it then all the better. With this in mind I headed out of the wilderness and off to my regular biker cafe for a bacon roll and a coffee asking myself if I really needed the headache of keeping the 961 on the road, what did I want her for? Could I get by without her? As I walked away to order my coffee I smiled as the 961 had already got three admirers wandering around her. I returned to the bike and endured the endless list of questions, then a 4th gent (a car driving ex-biker) joined us, then another 'I used to own a Norton' and then a young man in his late 20's stopped with his kids and took some photo's giving me the thumbs up as he turned away.

    I took my Injun to the same cafe only a week before, she barely got a second glance. Same story with the Harley a few weeks before that. You make friends with all sorts of people when you ride a Norton :)
     
  17. Eljahara

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    I agree that the bike gets looked at more than any other when I am at events or meets, the quality of the components is high, the sound and riding experience are addictive and it feels special to own such a rare bike. We all want Norton to succeed and preserve this historic brand - many owners also have classic Nortons or other Brit iron.

    However.....

    If any of us had paid out £15000 - £22000 (Commando CR, Sport, Street, Cali) or £24500 - £30000 (Dominator, Domiracer) £28000 (VRR) etc.. to any other manufacturer for a modern motorcycle and experienced the issues recorded on this forum, we would be demanding a full refund with no questions asked!
    The commando is now is its 9th year of production and yet it is still experiencing basic issues that could be resolved at the build (testing?) stage
    Many of these bikes have low mileage and if owners are honest it is down to suspect reliability or concern whether you will get home from a ride out - many have commented.... as well as my Norton, I have X, Y, Z as a bike i can just get on and ride without being concerned if I will get home.
    Riding a motorcycle should be about fun and enjoyment not aggravation.
     
  18. richard-7

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    Well said.
     
  19. Voodooo

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    In my opinion the new line of atlas bikes lost the character of Norton. The Atlas bikes are a total new make over. I understand they are moving with modern times and although I like the Nomad, and I wanted one. I think I’m gonna pass. I already have the two Norton’s I wanted. My Naked and Commando.

    My next bike needs to be a two up and it’s either gonna be a Speed Twin or a Indian FTR1200.
     
  20. Fast Eddie

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    I’ve had a few PMs asking me about my decision with the 961, so thought I’d clarify openly as there is no hidden agenda or conspiracy behind it !

    First, I should clarify that although some of the negative stories of late made the decision easier, this was not the reason behind it.

    I will soon be getting a 1330cc Egli Vincent on the road that’s been over 2 years in gestation, this will be more powerful, more torquey, and around 120-130lbs lighter than the 961 whilst still delivering even more of that characterful / visceral ride that I seem to crave. It has therefore been on my mind for a while that when this is on the road, and I’m looking for that nice sunny Sunday ride, the 961 just won’t get chosen.

    Coupled to that, the 961 just isn’t quite fast enough, or modern enough, to satisfy those kind of riding requirements either, it kind of falls between both needs.

    So, long story short, I chopped it in for a Duc Monster 1200s (in ‘Concrete Grey’ NOT Red).

    If I had more space (and more cash) I’d keep the 961 even if it only did a few miles a year. But I have to be realistic.

    At least I’ll still be able to wear my Norton regalia when playing with my ‘74 920cc Commando!
     
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