Rods are Norton's Strongest feature!

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I continue to hold the view that Rods are Norton's Strongest feature! This is not w/o some of my own and others evidence such at this example,which agrees with every report a good post mortum revealed something else let go first...

Rods are Norton's Strongest feature!


This is the connecting rod from a 1975 Norton 850 Commando. I had wandered into the service department during the party & joined a chat with one of Raber's expert mechanics, Lucky, who had just split the cases on this Norton. He had conducted some postmortem forensics to determine the cause. Here's what he came up with. The owner was probably over-revving the engine. First, it spun a rod bearing, probably from inadequate oiling. Once one bearing shell half slipped under the other, the rod beat itself up so badly that it bent. The bend then shortened the rod and changed its geometry. This allowed the bottom of the piston skirt to meet with the center flywheel on the fast-spinning crankshaft, which literally ground a relief in the bottom of the skirt. At the same time the bend in the rod put the rod in contact with the camshaft which ground a smooth pocket into the face of the rod itself.

What makes this so weird? Considering that the piston & connecting rod are both made of fairly soft aluminum, its amazing that it stayed together. I would have expected this engine to grenade on contact. Think about all those fast-moving parts flying around the hostile & tightly-packed environment of the crankcase. Things are so tight in there that, in ideal conditions, the camshaft just misses the rods by a few thousandths of an inch. And the pistons almost graze the crankshaft in normal conditions. This very slight change in shape of the rod caused all these parts to hit one another, weird enough in itself, but nothing shattered. Normally, engines explode into hundreds of tiny pieces of shrapnel when something like this happens. Lucky's explanation: The Brits have a long history of good metallurgy, dating back to Roman times, and they just knew how to build things right, and out of the right materials, so that even when met with catastrophe, they somehow hold together. Not always, of course...but this time, at least.
http://www.classic-british-motorcycles. ... 11-16.html
 
Heh Heh, If that would have been a Carrillo you could have reconned the big end and re-used it. Jim
 
comnoz said:
Heh Heh, If that would have been a Carrillo you could have reconned the big end and re-used it. Jim

+1

Been through a recent engine frag with aluminum rods and know if it were steel rods it would have only been a regrind and new bearing shells.
 
I suppose the guy simply adjusted the tappets and kept riding the bike until it stopped ?
 
Point of message is not that Al rods are indestructible, just that they are not the weak link till -something else- lets go first. Duh steel rods are tougher but so what, if some thing else stops the show, go ahead and re use steel ones, but ya ain't fixed or solved the show stopper by doing so. On this note I now think the rod cap bolts are weakest link as crank flex binds journals in big ends. In this regard the two Al rods my Combats broke, broke easy enough to save the cases with just oil sealing patch jobs, but I don't have to imagine what happens with over kill rods hanging out frame bottom, to nullify the salvaging savings of steel rods. I like Jim's lighter steel jobs not for extra strength but because they are lighter duh. Imagine what TC could of done if his rods didn't stop him so often.
 
hobot said:
Point of message is not that Al rods are indestructible, just that they are not the weak link..........

You titled this thread "Rods are Norton's Strongest feature!" So now you assert that they "are not the weak link". :lol:
 
You titled this thread "Rods are Norton's Strongest feature!" So now you assert that they "are not the weak link". :lol:

The Law of the Jungle has taken out most my neurons, and seems yours too Dances, but my few survivors aren't so easy confused, so smart enough to let your revealing remark sink in : )

Oh yeah and balls allow our shafts freer motions too.
 
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