Question about Brexit

What is wrong is us leaving a world that is almost uninhabitable for our grand kids ...... mostly when chips down the human race has been able to right things .... so far not too many nukes been set off ....
 
Craig, fully agree that we should seek to leave a “better world” for our descendants- technological as well as natural - but activists would have us all give up our carbon guzzling vehicles and homes immediately and that is not possible or practical. The infrastructure for electric vehicles (which also have their issues) just isn’t there, nor is the heavily promoted public transport system available in most western countries. People here are returning to their cars as the rail system regularly lets them down; some are just one more late arrival away from being “let go”.
Just think of the waste if vehicles requiring gas or diesel were outlawed in 5 or even 10 years, plus the additional cost - I can buy a perfectly serviceable new 600cc bike for £8000 or a car for around £12000 to £14000 but an electric vehicle would be a minimum of £27000 plus additional battery rental costs - and a bloody small vehicle at that. Add to that the fact it would take me 2 days to complete a journey home in an electric vehicle where it currently takes me 4 hours (car or bike) and the situation becomes a little more complicated than Greta would have us believe
Jobs in the petrochemical industry?
The finance markets dependent on the price of crude?
Jobs in the carbon burning vehicle markets?
Yes, new opportunities will arise with cleaner vehicles but these opportunities need to develop alongside a planned reduction in carbon usage.
 
I The carbon footprint from motorcycle road racing is almost zero.
If that was true, then why was one of my biggest expense the amount of gas I had to fill my Bedford van that did 13mpg? And don't forget, i live on a small island ( by some standards)
 
Blimey do they still make gas guzzling Bedford vans, or are you reminiscing about the days of black n white TV. I did love the old CF'S though !
 
They stopped making them long ago, I could never afford a new one. My 2.3 ohc went out with a loud bang as it put not one but two feet out of bed!
 
The carbon footprint from motorcycle road racing is almost zero.

Sadly, that is very wrong.

Racing requires frequent rebuilds, with new parts all made in factories somewhere, usually using metals that are mined and processes. Then there’s the frequent oil changes, tyres, not to mention those who build brand new bikes, etc, etc.

And racing requires race circuits, tarmac maintenance, buildings, services, etc,etc.

It ALL creates carbon...
 
QUALITY of life is important. You can save the planet, but we might all end up living like termites. Education is the only factor which has ever slowed the rate of global population growth. Education brings wealth which reduces the need for large families to provide a form of superannuation for the ageing population. As far as commuter vehicles are concerned, we could all ride and race 125cc single cylinder four-strokes. The trouble is that most people cannot even drive a car properly, let alone a motorcycle.
There was a friend of mine who used to ride a Yamaha pedallie from Ivanhoe to South Melbourne every day. When he was on the road, he used the little motor, while on the cycle path, he pedalled. You don't really need to drag a ton and a half of steel with you, everywhere you go.
 
Most of the fuel which is used in cars in trucks, goes towards overcoming inertia. Regenerative braking could be used on all vehicles.
 
I'm not really sure how this thread evolved into a climate change thread. That may be because I haven't read all 20+pages. Anyway in the video filmed many years ago, George Carlin hits the nail on the head. You would think it was filmed in 2019. Just goes to show you that the BS didn't start overnight. Save the Planet, Global Cooling, Global Warming, Climate Change, whatever you want to brand it. You expect your government to control it? They can't even run the DMV. Think about it!
 
Sadly you do make a valid point , guess it really up to the average Joe to try and do his small part , keeping in mind even the small things add up ....
 
Again, no one is saying the planet is going to explode into a ball of fire because of plastic bags. That would be ridiculous and the perfect thing to riff on in a comedy bit...COMEDY BIT.
 
Calling 'save the planet' BS is not constructive, nor is denial. Risks must be managed. I was talking to a farmer a while ago and he said 'our paddock is becoming overstocked'. If you don't believe the global population explosion is a threat, which planet are you living on ? If we keep going without changing, we risk major disruption when masses of people move to escape hardship. Our future is in our own hands. All we need is a common goal - 'decent quality of life for everyone without growth' might be good. When you are manufacturing, to make a profit, you must add value. Value comes in two forms - more widgets, or the same number of widgets with better quality. The trouble is that for most people, 'quality' is not definable.
 
What many people do not know is that if you put two blowflies into a cage with a finite but continuous amount of food, they breed until the cage of flies is full, then there is a mass extinction and only a couple of flies remain, buzzing around. Then the whole process repeats itself.
When I was a kid at school in the 1950s, our biology teacher pointed out that the global population doubles every 25 years. He said we would see the population crisis during our lifetimes.
 
The main difference is blow flies will not pollute the planet unlike humans who will leave the atmosphere polluted, the earth/soil also polluted that plant life would find it difficult to survive with the heavy pollution that is discarded into the water also.
I get your meaning, but the blow flies are a poor example.
 
Yep, we could be bacteria in a barrel if aging grape juice, someday to die by our own effluence. But then we aren’t bacteria
 
The main difference is blow flies will not pollute the planet unlike humans who will leave the atmosphere polluted, the earth/soil also polluted that plant life would find it difficult to survive with the heavy pollution that is discarded into the water also.
I get your meaning, but the blow flies are a poor example.

I don't know of any other example other than the blowflies, where the effects of a population explosion have been demonstrated. It is something my biology teacher mentioned when I was in high school in the 1950s. When you think about it, it is difficult to find any other organism which would be suitable for such an experiment.
 
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If we have another doubling of the global population in the next 25 years, there might be a pandemic we cannot handle - then a mass extinction ? - A nuclear war might have the same effect.
 
If we have another doubling of the global population in the next 25 years, there might be a pandemic we cannot handle - then a mass extinction ? - A nuclear war might have the same effect.
why is it that everyone who tells me to reduce my carbon footprint and save the planet fly everywhere? actors and actresses ..rock stars and useless reality twats.
bob Geldof and bono! who the fuck are they to lecture me? and can't greta Thunberg see the irony of going to the us on a bloody airliner!
 
why is it that everyone who tells me to reduce my carbon footprint and save the planet fly everywhere? actors and actresses ..rock stars and useless reality twats.
bob Geldof and bono! who the fuck are they to lecture me? and can't greta Thunberg see the irony of going to the us on a bloody airliner!

She sailed. But I agree, fuck the rest of them.
 
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