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The baseball video was a strike out mate. As in, I looked at several of your cited sources and you struck out on them.

I didnt make any assertion about someone suing Dr. Mc. You must have confused me with someone else.

Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and vaccines have nothing to do with each other (unless there is an interaction effect). So, because one is ineffective doesnt make the others effective. Dont know where that comment is coming from.

BTW - I can get a discount on Ivermectin from Farmlands if you want to try some. (JK on the latter)
 

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The baseball video was a strike out mate. As in, I looked at several of your cited sources and you struck out on them.

I didnt make any assertion about someone suing Dr. Mc. You must have confused me with someone else.

Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and vaccines have nothing to do with each other (unless there is an interaction effect). So, because one is ineffective doesnt make the others effective. Dont know where that comment is coming from.

BTW - I can get a discount on Ivermectin from Farmlands if you want to try some. (JK on the latter)
Your opinion means Jack all to me
Keep lining up for your medical misadventure clot shots ...I realize you are committed now and completely blind to anything else
I'm happy with the antibodies from this flu that I'm not prepared to compromise
My Mrs wasn't so lucky and ended up with pneumonia in both lungs.(last year) heaps better now.
In time you will see the truth come to light ...Another death reported by the media today from the clot shot in New Zealand..there are many others....that will come out soon enough.
(Misinformation) Ivermectin is not just for live stock ..that just shows me how blind to the truth you really are...Untill then ...Bye...
 

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The source of your meme-shot tells all.
If that is all the details you look at heaven help us.
Check this meme out..finger prints all over this from the usual suspects...
 

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@KiwiShane & @gortnipper , my viewpoint is irrelevant here but to make a quiet observation...
Don't you both feel you've beat this thing to death?
Just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on (PLEASE????)
Lol...to true...I believe this flu was intentionality released to the world and was planned right down to the vaccines that had regestied patient numbers long pre dated before transmission...
All ya gotta do is look...
 
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Lol...to true...I believe this flu was intentionality released to the world and was planned right down to the vaccines that had regestied patient numbers long pre dated before transmission...
All ya gotta do is look...
conspiracacy theories again, what a surprise. It’s not all about what is going on in individual’s heads. Good job people don’t run the rest of their life choices the way they consider their conspiracies..................
 

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conspiracacy theories again, what a surprise. It’s not all about what is going on in individual’s heads. Good job people don’t run the rest of their life choices the way they consider their conspiracies..................

conspiracacy theories again, what a surprise. It’s not all about what is going on in individual’s heads. Good job people don’t run the rest of their life choices the way they consider their conspiracies..................

conspiracacy theories again, what a surprise. It’s not all about what is going on in individual’s heads. Good job people don’t run the rest of their life choices the way they consider their conspiracies..................
When you know nothing and are ill-informed and have nothing left to justify your case.......you turn to the conspiracy theories smack talk ...please crawl back under the rock you came from unless you can offer evidence the virus was of natural occurrence and it came from consuming a bat soup from a Wuhan wet market. ...you may need a crash course in virology
 

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Shane, as far as I can recall, no one here is saying the vaccines NEVER produce clots.

They do. You’re right. It’s a sad fact.

But the risk is simply MUCH lower. Like most things in life, it’s a risk balance question, just like we motorcyclists make every ride.

Until you can show a viable study that show the risk of the vaccine is greater than the risk of the virus, your argument is moot.

Maybe you missed another source of this same article posted earlier:

Note, the article is only comparing CLOT risk between the vaccine and the virus. Clearly, this is no where near the primary cause of death from the virus!

key point of the article is this: “The study found that the AstraZeneca jab was associated with excess cases of thrombocytopenia, or low levels of blood-clotting platelets, with 107 additional cases per 10 million people. But the figure for those infected with the virus was 934”.

So yes, the vaccine casued 107 clots per 10 million people. Note, they didn’t all die, but even if we assume they did, that would mean that if every man, women, child, baby in the U.K. was vaccinated the vaccine would kill around 726 people from clots. Which is bad. We’d all agree.

But, and it’s a big but…

To date, the U.K. has had 132,000 covid deaths and counting. It’s estimated the vaccines have prevented over 100,000 deaths to date.

So, without the vaccines we’d be looking at a minimum of a quarter of a million deaths in the U.K. alone by the end of this year… half a million by the end of next year… I’m not sure where to stop so let’s just stop here.

So the risk balance is as simple as this:

Maximum therotical number killed by the vaccine caused clots in U.K. = 726.
vs
Probable number killed by the virus up to end next year in U.K. = 500,000.

Thats why we’re all struggling to join your cause. It’s not that your outright wrong, you’re right, the vaccines are not 100% safe. But you are simply not looking at the whole picture, you are not looking at what would happen if everyone followed your idea.
 
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I have my own conspiracy theory folks…

Some hard core anti vaxers are actually environmental fanatics who see the reduction of the human race by a few hundred million as a necessary step to save the planet.

And sadly, they might be on t’ sumthin’.
 

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I have my own conspiracy theory folks…

Some hard core anti vaxers are actually environmental fanatics who see the reduction of the human race by a few hundred million as a necessary step to save the planet.

And sadly, they might be on t’ sumthin’.
There are studies that say the earth would be happy with just a couple of billion people, so a few hundred million falls short by about 6 billion.
 

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I have my own conspiracy theory folks…

Some hard core anti vaxers are actually environmental fanatics who see the reduction of the human race by a few hundred million as a necessary step to save the planet.

And sadly, they might be on t’ sumthin’.
Just keep them from clogging up the hospital so i can get in when I next crash my motorbike.

Edit: irony intended.
 
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I have my own conspiracy theory folks…

Some hard core anti vaxers are actually environmental fanatics who see the reduction of the human race by a few hundred million as a necessary step to save the planet.

And sadly, they might be on t’ sumthin’.
I don't credit anti-vaxxers with enough intelligence to come up with a big picture plan like that although as you say there is validity in the population question.
As for your reply to Shane, sadly it seems that once people have descended the rabbit hole of misinformation any rational and cogent argument only serves to reinforce their warped denials. For the first time on this forum i am very tempted with the ignore button.
 

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Generally speaking, antibody levels do drop some 8-10 months following infections or vaccines. But this does not mean levels drop to point no protective effect remains. We do not know how much antibody in needed for covid severe disease protection. Good news is the immune system will have memory effect following vax or infection exposure, which means you now have legions of immune cell sitting in wait for your next exposure, such that protective antibodies and other arms of the immune system are able to pump out antibodies and effector immune cells specific to the virus in much shorter time frame than a naive immune system.
The plan for boosters in general pop is likely as a precautionary step, during these times we don't know how much circulating antibody is sufficient.
I wonder if the virus is not mutating to become less deadly, the reality is the vaccinations and previous infections are the real reason for the apparent reduction in its ability to kill.

I have heard that the common cold would be deadly to populations that don't normally live with it, don't know if that is true.
 
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I wonder if the virus is not mutating to become less deadly, the reality is the vaccinations and previous infections are the real reason for the apparent reduction in its ability to kill.

I have heard that the common cold would be deadly to populations that don't normally live with it, don't know if that is true.
The native northern and southern populations pre Columbus have no immunity, colds and flu ran rampant after the North European's arrived and caused many deaths. There are theories made by historians that the conquests by small European armies were made easier due to the population falls.
 

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I wonder if the virus is not mutating to become less deadly, the reality is the vaccinations and previous infections are the real reason for the apparent reduction in its ability to kill.

I have heard that the common cold would be deadly to populations that don't normally live with it, don't know if that is true.
Most (all?) viruses mutate to be less deadly over time. The virus has no interest in killing us, it only wants to survive. Evolutionary theory would suggest that the virus has more chance of dying out if it kills its host to easily, so such strains will be less successful than those that can readily survive and reproduce withiut killing the hosts. But… this takes a long time.
 
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