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Tornado said:
"Who's dismissing previously infected?"

Well, there are MANY places here in the U.S. that are. Some employers are requiring vaccines for ALL employees , New York City currently requires PROOF of vaccination for access to public places. They don't care if you have been previously infected. Other employers and jurisdictions are following suit.

I have no expertise on any of this, but I predict that the virus will mutate to a form which will evade the current vaccines completely. My guess is that this will occur by early next year. If this does happen, how long will it take to develop AND produce a new vaccine? The Pfizer CEO said it will take 95 days to develop a new vaccine. How long will it take to produce and once again vaccinate everyone that wants to be vaccinated? What happens to society and the economy while this process takes place? Rinse and repeat.

The government and the media in the U.S. dismiss and/or suppress any information about therapeutic development and application to fight the virus. They have gone all in on the current vaccines.

This virus will be with us FOREVER.
 

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Tornado said:
"Who's dismissing previously infected?"

Well, there are MANY places here in the U.S. that are. Some employers are requiring vaccines for ALL employees , New York City currently requires PROOF of vaccination for access to public places. They don't care if you have been previously infected. Other employers and jurisdictions are following suit.

I have no expertise on any of this, but I predict that the virus will mutate to a form which will evade the current vaccines completely. My guess is that this will occur by early next year. If this does happen, how long will it take to develop AND produce a new vaccine? The Pfizer CEO said it will take 95 days to develop a new vaccine. How long will it take to produce and once again vaccinate everyone that wants to be vaccinated? What happens to society and the economy while this process takes place? Rinse and repeat.

The government and the media in the U.S. dismiss and/or suppress any information about therapeutic development and application to fight the virus. They have gone all in on the current vaccines.

This virus will be with us FOREVER.
Dismiss or surpress therapies? Umm, we hear very much about the MAb's being used widely in US hospitals. Also the SM Remdesivir, also the anti inflammatory Dexamethasone. We also hear lots about the quack 'treatments' with no supporting evidence (HQ, livestock dewormers/Invermectin, cow feces/urine).
 
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"Umm, we hear very much about the MAb's being used widely in US hospitals."

I "hear" very little about therapeutic treatments. Possibly because I don't dig and search for such information. I haven't seen much about it from the "mainstream" media here. Talk of vaccines and the unvaccinated is constant though. Of course, I don't believe much of anything I hear coming from the media or the government anymore. Maybe you can "hear" more where you live.
 

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Tornado said:
"Who's dismissing previously infected?"

Well, there are MANY places here in the U.S. that are. Some employers are requiring vaccines for ALL employees , New York City currently requires PROOF of vaccination for access to public places. They don't care if you have been previously infected. Other employers and jurisdictions are following suit.

I have no expertise on any of this, but I predict that the virus will mutate to a form which will evade the current vaccines completely. My guess is that this will occur by early next year. If this does happen, how long will it take to develop AND produce a new vaccine? The Pfizer CEO said it will take 95 days to develop a new vaccine. How long will it take to produce and once again vaccinate everyone that wants to be vaccinated? What happens to society and the economy while this process takes place? Rinse and repeat.

The government and the media in the U.S. dismiss and/or suppress any information about therapeutic development and application to fight the virus. They have gone all in on the current vaccines.

This virus will be with us FOREVER.
And there is a yearly flu variant vaccine, which no one seems to be concerned with getting 5G reception with.

Play this forward a few years and there will.likely be a multi-variant Vax, much like the MMR vaccine. One package. Regular top ups.

Just like a tune up.
 

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U,fortunately none of the approved treatments are hugely successful but can be helpful in certain situations. They need to be given early during infection in the case of anti viral and Monoclonal antibodies. It can take days before someone gets a positive test result back, which could over a week or ten days following actual infection point. So effectiveness of these therapies is hit or miss.

Much much better to be more resistant to virus prior to infection. That's the point of the vaccines. Actual infection will provide immunity, unclear how much compared to fully vax'd and unclear for how long. And of course that is if you live.
 

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Both.

Edit: any source which cites "victims" according to data from this db.

"The EudraVigilance website indicates the figures it compiles do not confirm links between vaccination and reported adverse events.

A disclaimer on the website reads: “The information on this website relates to suspected side effects, i.e. medical events that have been observed following the use of a medicine, but which are not necessarily related to or caused by the medicine.”
In regards to the Dr Peter McCullough article I posted ...( no comment from you ?) So to reiterate about protecting yourself and fellow humans here is some light reading for you in regards to Ivermectin as a cure for cv19 that poses bugger all risk to recipients which Japan... India and other countries have launched to combat cv19 as a alternative to the experimental gene therapy injections
 

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In regards to the Dr Peter McCullough article I posted ...( no comment from you ?) So to reiterate about protecting yourself and fellow humans here is some light reading for you in regards to Ivermectin as a cure for cv19 that poses bugger all risk to recipients which Japan... India and other countries have launched to combat cv19 as a alternative to the experimental gene therapy injections
The same Peter McCullough currently being sued by a former employer for spreading CV-19 misinformation under their name? That one?
 

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A viewer shared his personal story of vaccine hesitancy and what it has cost him:

 

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In regards to the Dr Peter McCullough article I posted ...( no comment from you ?) So to reiterate about protecting yourself and fellow humans here is some light reading for you in regards to Ivermectin as a cure for cv19 that poses bugger all risk to recipients which Japan... India and other countries have launched to combat cv19 as a alternative to the experimental gene therapy injections
I read the paper in full.

Also I see other analysis.

The paper summarized the results of a clinical trial seeming to show that ivermectin can reduce COVID-19 death rates by more than 90%1 — among the largest studies of the drug’s ability to treat COVID-19 to date. But on 14 July, after internet sleuths raised concerns about plagiarism and data manipulation, the preprint server Research Square withdrew the paper because of “ethical concerns”.

The paper’s irregularities came to light when Jack Lawrence, a master’s student at the University of London, was reading it for a class assignment and noticed that some phrases were identical to those in other published work. When he contacted researchers who specialize in detecting fraud in scientific publications, the group found other causes for concern, including dozens of patient records that seemed to be duplicates, inconsistencies between the raw data and the information in the paper, patients whose records indicate they died before the study’s start date, and numbers that seemed to be too consistent to have occurred by chance.


also,

A group called the Cochrane Collaboration spends its time conducting meta-analyses of the best-conducted clinical trials. After excluding dozens of ivermectin studies with “high risk of bias,” the collaboration left little room for optimism: “Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent Covid-19.” The group recommended that ivermectin use be restricted to clinical trials that might actually generate high quality data.

The World Health Organization and the Infectious Diseases Society of America concur. Even Merck, an ivermectin manufacturer, avers that there is “no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or efficacy in patients with Covid-19.” And just last weekend the FDA warned people not to use the drug as a treatment for Covid-19.

 
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@KiwiShane i would like to be very clear: I would love to see breakthrough treatment and preventative regimes for COVID-19. They just need to survive scrutiny of the scientific community, the reaction of the blogosphere notwithstanding.
If you think you have knocked your point out of the park (your base ball video )
I believe you are very wrong.
Your Point you make is : Bla bla bla is suing Dr Mc
All that means is to try and silence him for NOW .(He has thousands of doctors in support if you look )
Court case not concluded so your point is what ?
Justification that the experimental vaccine works after 1 shot 2 shots or 3 shots ?
Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine are killing people and not saving the lives of the vulnerable ?
So that makes the vaccine safe and effective ?
My conclusion:
These clowns are making shit up as they go and I believe it is not best practice.
Since you live in New Zealand have you ever done any research on the nz covid architect Dr Michael Baker ?
Like his past employment ?. where the funding comes from to the Otago University covid studies ?
Do conflicts of interest spring to mind ?
Watch this and think to your self from what he has been told ....is he telling the new zealand public what other heath professionals have told him from around the world in their studies/data /evidence ?
Sometimes you have to really dig.
 

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Actual infection will provide immunity, unclear how much compared to fully vax'd and unclear for how long. And of course that is if you live.
I was talking to a friend on Friday who was tested for antibodies about 4 weeks ago and she was told she has them. She had mild Covid (headaches, mussel pain, loss of taste and smell, fatigue but no respiratory problems) about 17 months ago.

I wouldn't know but I suggested she had probably been reinfected but symptom free at some point, but she is convinced she hasn't been. 17 months seems a long time to be carrying antibodies to me. Is there any research that would support this, I cannot find any.
 

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@KiwiShane i would like to be very clear: I would love to see breakthrough treatment and preventative regimes for COVID-19. They just need to survive scrutiny of the scientific community, the reaction of the blogosphere notwithstanding.
Absolutely
@KiwiShane i would like to be very clear: I would love to see breakthrough treatment and preventative regimes for COVID-19. They just need to survive scrutiny of the scientific community, the reaction of the blogosphere notwithstanding.
Scrutiny is one thing that needs to be conducted properly that as failed in the past for these type manufacturers due to conflicts of interest/ harm caused/skewed data/ shown in the plaintiffs discovery documents as proof in these such cases/law suits due to harm caused from and effect have had massive monetary blows to big phama as you probably know in the past.
The way I look at it like this:
How much research do bikers do or rely on when selecting a suitable motor oil for their cycle
Thanks to skilled folk like Jim.C etc we happily make a choice to use either GTX/
RED LINE or say ROYAL PURPLE at a viscosity grade to suit the engine from the tests conducted or where they ride and use
When I see counties(political medical hacks) hesitate or stop and change for another type brand vaccine because of (behind the scenes) issues etc it raises concerns and causes hesitancy for the public
Engines can be rebuilt human bodies not so much.
I trust engineers and not politicians
Jacinda tells the public its safe ..what sort of guarantee is that while used under emergency use that they created
 

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If you think you have knocked your point out of the park (your base ball video )
I believe you are very wrong.
Your Point you make is : Bla bla bla is suing Dr Mc
All that means is to try and silence him for NOW .(He has thousands of doctors in support if you look )
Court case not concluded so your point is what ?
Justification that the experimental vaccine works after 1 shot 2 shots or 3 shots ?
Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine are killing people and not saving the lives of the vulnerable ?
So that makes the vaccine safe and effective ?
My conclusion:
These clowns are making shit up as they go and I believe it is not best practice.
Since you live in New Zealand have you ever done any research on the nz covid architect Dr Michael Baker ?
Like his past employment ?. where the funding comes from to the Otago University covid studies ?
Do conflicts of interest spring to mind ?
Watch this and think to your self from what he has been told ....is he telling the new zealand public what other heath professionals have told him from around the world in their studies/data /evidence ?
Sometimes you have to really dig.
The baseball video was a strike out mate. As in, I looked at several of your cited sources and you struck out on them.

I didnt make any assertion about someone suing Dr. Mc. You must have confused me with someone else.

Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and vaccines have nothing to do with each other (unless there is an interaction effect). So, because one is ineffective doesnt make the others effective. Dont know where that comment is coming from.

BTW - I can get a discount on Ivermectin from Farmlands if you want to try some. (JK on the latter)
 
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I was talking to a friend on Friday who was tested for antibodies about 4 weeks ago and she was told she has them. She had mild Covid (headaches, mussel pain, loss of taste and smell, fatigue but no respiratory problems) about 17 months ago.

I wouldn't know but I suggested she had probably been reinfected but symptom free at some point, but she is convinced she hasn't been. 17 months seems a long time to be carrying antibodies to me. Is there any research that would support this, I cannot find any.
Generally speaking, antibody levels do drop some 8-10 months following infections or vaccines. But this does not mean levels drop to point no protective effect remains. We do not know how much antibody in needed for covid severe disease protection. Good news is the immune system will have memory effect following vax or infection exposure, which means you now have legions of immune cell sitting in wait for your next exposure, such that protective antibodies and other arms of the immune system are able to pump out antibodies and effector immune cells specific to the virus in much shorter time frame than a naive immune system.
The plan for boosters in general pop is likely as a precautionary step, during these times we don't know how much circulating antibody is sufficient.
 
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