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The difference between causality and correlation was discussed long ago in this thread. But folk tend to ignore it when it doesn’t suit their pre existing argument.

That said, personally I’m prepared to believe the covid vaccines are less safe than others. Again, this has been discussed already, vaccines normally have decades of R&D behind them whereas covid vaccines have been pushed through in record time.

But it’s all about the risk balance, without vaccines tems of millions would have definitely died. Again, people ignore these basic numeric facts when it doesn’t suit their pre existing arguments.

Unless you‘re very young and fully healthy, getting vaccinated is a no brainer from a pure risk perspective.

However, if you are very young and fully healthy, it is not a no brainer, and that’s where the discussion lies.
 
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I would not say that the world think you are a joke. Most people don't makes jokes about a pandemic that has killed millions worldwide.
Australia have had very few deaths from Covid19 and still have a very low rate of deaths. So far we envy your handling of the decease.
That you now have some vaccination problems, which other countries have too, don't make you a laughing stock.
No its not a joke, its just the way things have been rolled out here, they keep sayin we are all in this together but our Federal GOV and Sate GOVs are fighting each other instead of working together, that is the joke here instead of getting on with the job of helping each other to overcome this pandemic and getting everyone to do the right thing, big ask I know, one thing in our favor is we are further away from the rest of the world, but money seems to over ride everything else.
As well with the rush with these vaccines who knows what's down the road, its all a guessing game in how things will pan out and not only here in AUS but the rest of the world as well and we will never know the truth.
 
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As I have a couple of medical 'anomalies' that may tip me towards vulnerability, I chose not to be vaccinated. I'm no conspiracy theorist or anti vaxxer, but on issues such as personal health I believe personal choice should be considered too. Am I selfish? I know I'll be ostracized sooner or later, football matches I won't miss, but a good pub band, yes. I do, however, let friends know my decision before visiting, and respect their wishes regarding protocol as I hope they respect mine.
I'd take cold comfort from ending up another medical statistic, or from trying to say: 'I told you so' from beyond the grave. And will any detractors be willing to share my coffin?
If I'm to suffer from this disease then I'll accept it as part of life's lottery along with the proverbial bus accident. But putting a needle in my arm for me is tantamount to standing in the bus lane....
 
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100 doses per hundred, assuming two doses completes the vaccination schedule per person means half the population is vaccinated? Or that there are that many doses available?
The graph is showing how many doses given per 100 people, so it helps to see how far along te country is in achieving 2 does per person. It do not think it takes into account only the vaccine eligible people, so its counting kids under 12, not yet eligible in most countries. Has the effect of lowering the numbers.
It has been reported Canada is now over 80% single doses, 55% double dosed in all eligible people. This is better than USA and trending much higher.
 

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As I have a couple of medical 'anomalies' that may tip me towards vulnerability, I chose not to be vaccinated. I'm no conspiracy theorist or anti vaxxer, but on issues such as personal health I believe personal choice should be considered too. Am I selfish? I know I'll be ostracized sooner or later, football matches I won't miss, but a good pub band, yes. I do, however, let friends know my decision before visiting, and respect their wishes regarding protocol as I hope they respect mine.
I'd take cold comfort from ending up another medical statistic, or from trying to say: 'I told you so' from beyond the grave. And will any detractors be willing to share my coffin?
If I'm to suffer from this disease then I'll accept it as part of life's lottery along with the proverbial bus accident. But putting a needle in my arm for me is tantamount to standing in the bus lane....
Unless your Doctors are telling you not to have the vaccine, then you are putting yourself in the bus lane. You are also putting others at risk by potentially helping to spread it to those more vulnerable. Have a severe bout of covid is just a horrible thing, even if you pull through it. Not to mention all the folks that would have to deal with your care an support during treatment.
Risks from vaccination are orders of magnitude lower than from the virus. This is established fact.
I find it ironic that someone who chooses to ride a motorcycle has safety concerns around vaccination.
 
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As I understand it, even those vaccinated can still 'help' the spread, as noted from our politicians very recently, so that scuppers that argument?
Opinions may and do vary, of course.....
 

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As I understand it, even those vaccinated can still 'help' the spread, as noted from our politicians very recently, so that scuppers that argument?
Opinions may and do vary, of course.....
Ah, but only those vaccinated folk that get a "breakthrough" infection, which again is much lower occurence once having some immunity than "naive" individuals having no resistance at all.
 
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Is naivety (I had to spellcheck that!) a medical condition now? Yes, no cure for ignorance I know, but... not a decision I took lightly, knowing popular opinion would make it unpopular, does that make me a living martyr?? :)
 

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Is naivety (I had to spellcheck that!) a medical condition now? Yes, no cure for ignorance I know, but... not a decision I took lightly, knowing popular opinion would make it unpopular, does that make me a living martyr?? :)
The term in this sense was immunologically "naive", as in not previously exposed to the virus, having no protective antibodies. This is common parlance in medical situations.
 
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Thank you.... I haven't had previous exposure to this level of medical terminology either ( though David Nott's: 'War Doctor' was a fascinating read)..

Re: Riding a motorcycle... A gamble/risk perhaps, but I CAN shorten the odds with anticipation, protective clothing, regular maintenance etc. etc.. But there's also a perverse thrill in taking that risk...
With vaccination I have zip/zero input, so to my mind there are few, if any, similarities....
 
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With concornivirus, its a airborne virus that is indiscriminate on who it it infects.
You can see the danger whist riding two wheels, but with this virus, you won't know it's hit you until....to late.
 

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I would not say that the world think you are a joke. Most people don't makes jokes about a pandemic that has killed millions worldwide.
Australia have had very few deaths from Covid19 and still have a very low rate of deaths. So far we envy your handling of the decease.
That you now have some vaccination problems, which other countries have too, don't make you a laughing stock.
Covid is definitely no joke....in fact... I and many others believe it was enhanced through "gain of function research" as a bio weapon ...this is all coming to light as we speak.
Covid deaths in New Zealand were mainly elderly and in old folks homes
Boosting your immune system is key !
 

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Covid deaths in New Zealand were mainly elderly and in old folks homes
It would be a different story if we had not gone for an elimination strategy, lockdowns and trying to secure our borders as much as possible. Witness the rest of the world, and AUS is quickly following that lead, though struggling to contain it.
 

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Sorry mat....THESE type fact checkers through out this whole debacle should be arrested for crimes against humanity (seriously)
There are many more from around the world if you dont like that one.





 

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Thank you.... I haven't had previous exposure to this level of medical terminology either ( though David Nott's: 'War Doctor' was a fascinating read)..

Re: Riding a motorcycle... A gamble/risk perhaps, but I CAN shorten the odds with anticipation, protective clothing, regular maintenance etc. etc.. But there's also a perverse thrill in taking that risk...
With vaccination I have zip/zero input, so to my mind there are few, if any, similarities....
The similarity is that using PPE and taking defensive actions on a motorcycle is the same as taking a vaccine to reduce harm from viral infection. Your "choice" is exactly that, take the max risk or lessen it. And i'm pretty sure if you run the numbers that the chance of a serious incident riding is much higher than having some vaccine related problem. Serious adverse reaction rates are something like one in 600 000 or lower across all the approved vaccines. How many serious bike accident occur in that number or rides?
 

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Up from ~50% at 03 July.

"nearly two-thirds of the counties in the U.S. have vaccinated less than 40% of their residents"

"The surge in delta cases is leading to a rise in deaths. Covid fatalities have risen by nearly 48% over the past week"
 
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The similarity is that using PPE and taking defensive actions on a motorcycle is the same as taking a vaccine to reduce harm from viral infection. Your "choice" is exactly that, take the max risk or lessen it. And i'm pretty sure if you run the numbers that the chance of a serious incident riding is much higher than having some vaccine related problem. Serious adverse reaction rates are something like one in 600 000 or lower across all the approved vaccines. How many serious bike accident occur in that number or rides?
Bottom line, and my point from the beginning, was/is for the few of us with genuine concerns for our well being, the jab is seen as a risk too, however low the numbers may be. You can quote, say, one in a million but we won't see the million, it's the one that concerns us, and the outcome can not be guaranteed....
Thankfully choice IS available, and if that puts me alongside the looney toons or tin foil hat brigade it's a cross I'll have to bear, as I'd rather be alive on the outskirts of society than dead in the middle :)
 
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The Covid 19 virus is no longer a pandemic, it is now endemic and not going away. Regardless of how extreme or mild the symptoms are in comparison it is now the new flu. Elimination is no longer possible, its no longer a question of if you will be exposed but when you will be exposed to the virus. Based on that alone your only defence in the long term is to get regular vaccinations.
 
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