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Well Boris has certainly 'rolled the dice'. I am in favour of some lifting of restrictions but the approach is risky.

The problem as I see it is what looks like the stopping of most of the remaining COVID regulations in one go. I feel that a gradual approach would have been better.
Agreed that wearing a mask in confined spaces will continue to be a good idea - reckon it will remain a part of our culture for a while yet.

Whilst a high percentage of the UK population has been vaccinated, at around 50% fully vaccinated, most information I have seen has 60-70% as the minimum for 'herd protection'. Perhaps better to have waited until 60% fully vaccinated before stopping the mask-wearing regulations. I've always been a bit sceptical about social distancing in confined spaces. Good ventilation and mask wearing look to be much more important and effective.

For non-Brits, not all Brits think the BBC is left biased! Just being critical and challenging to governments does not mean bias. The BBC has over the years been accused of bias by both the left and right. Bias itself is highly subjective and often is just so much opinion rather than fact. Personally I find the BBC increasingly insipidly neutral and not challenging enough of politicians!

Just my two penn'orth and with fingers crossed that we don't brew a new more deadly variant.

Andy
I’d like to see the numbers showing how often the beeb was accused of right wing bias vs left wing bias. And I know what I think it’d show. Very clearly!
 
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I'm guessing we'll be seeing a massaging of figures (from both sides) like you'd never believe, advantage for the naysayers being that smaller starting points give bigger headline grabbing percentages when they head North again..
On a purely selfish level, as someone who's part time employment was linked to the 'hospitality' sector, I saw my four and a half month winter job reduced to three and a half weeks by Covid, no furlough, no benefits, so yes, I'll be looking forward to the relaxation of restrictions..
 

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I'm guessing we'll be seeing a massaging of figures (from both sides) like you'd never believe, advantage for the naysayers being that smaller starting points give bigger headline grabbing percentages when they head North again..
On a purely selfish level, as someone who's part time employment was linked to the 'hospitality' sector, I saw my four and a half month winter job reduced to three and a half weeks by Covid, no furlough, no benefits, so yes, I'll be looking forward to the relaxation of restrictions..
And here is the real driver, IMHO: $$$

And for that, I am naturally suspect.

An irrelevant factoid: U.S. billionaires have gotten about $1.2 trillion richer during the pandemic (Forbes). Jeff Bezos, specifically, makes some $2,537 every second of the day. He makes nearly 3x more in one second than the median worker in the USA makes in an entire week (Forbes data, distilled).
 
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And here is the real driver, IMHO: $$$

And for that, I am naturally suspect.

An irrelevant factoid: U.S. billionaires have gotten about $1.2 trillion richer during the pandemic (Forbes). Jeff Bezos, specifically, makes some $2,537 every second of the day. He makes nearly 3x more in one second than the median worker in the USA makes in an entire week (Forbes data, distilled).
The day they stop sending me bills (or when someone else pays them for me**) I'll stop working :)

** 81 weeks and counting!
 
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We can get hung up on these factoids about the mega rich and absolutely, it stick in my throat too!

But they’re not the ones in the forefront of my mind, it’s normal working people, with families to support, who contribute to the economy, and pay their taxes to finance (amongst other things) our fine NHS, etc. They’re the ones who make the world go round...
 

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But they’re not the ones in the forefront of my mind, it’s normal working people, with families to support, who contribute to the economy, and pay their taxes to finance (amongst other things) our fine NHS, etc. They’re the ones who make the world go round...
Let's drink to the hard working people
Let's drink to the lowly of birth
Raise your glass to the good and the evil
Let's drink to the salt of the earth

Say a prayer for the common foot soldier
Spare a thought for his back breaking work
Say a prayer for his wife and his children
Who burn the fires and who still till the earth

(Rolling Stones, Salt of the Earth)
 

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The numbers that I watch are the local hospitalizations and deaths related to Covid. The State of Connecticut (pop 3.5 million) reported yesterday 5 new hospitalizations (42 total) and zero deaths. We've had 8279 total deaths and about 200 in my local town (pop 42,000). Overall, the state has been very responsible. Vaccinated people don't need a mask in most situations, and restaurants are in full swing.
 

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I remained convinced that we will never know the truth good or bad due to the stats being not taken correctly or skewed or
fiddled with etc. We will just never know.
I am pissed off about all those who got guvmint contracts which were mostly smoke and mirrors. Where Matt's cock was doesn't interest me but how his mates got their pockets lined does.
 
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I remained convinced that we will never know the truth good or bad due to the stats being not taken correctly r skewed or
fiddled with etc. We will just never know.
I am pissed off about all those who got guvmint contracts which were mostly smoke and mirrors. Where Matt's cock was doesn't interest me but how his mates got their pockets lined does.
I'm sure everybody's best mate Dom will spill the beans as soon as the price is right...
 

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No need to spill the beans most of them have done naught to hide their antics.
 

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I’d like to see the numbers showing how often the beeb was accused of right wing bias vs left wing bias. And I know what I think it’d show. Very clearly!
Number of accusations is hardly likely to be the best measure!
There is some info here. It's closer than you might think but I do not know who sponsors this site https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/bbc-bias
In the UK the press is dominated by the right wing with most of it owned by non-UK citizens, e.g. the Telegraph - is that still owned by the wacko Barclay family resident in their tax haven in the Channel Islands? The Mail - Harmsworth family with non-domiciled status in the UK living in France and the Murdoch (Aussie/American) conglomerate. The Independent is owned by the son of a KGB agent.
I only trust Channel 4 (soon to be privatised by this bunch of right wing nutters having been established with its current status by St Margaret of Thatcher), the Guardian and Private Eye.
You clearly have formed your opinion. I'll stick to mine!
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Masks should be compulsory in shops and on public transport. I HAVE to go shopping , it is not optional. Going to pubs, night clubs, football and so on IS optional so the choice to wear a mask is yours. I don’t go to pubs and have never been to a football match but I am old and vulnerable so would like to go shopping with a diminished risk of catching the flu or any other virus so that I can go to race meetings and bike shows if I think it is safe to do so.
 

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Masks should be compulsory in shops and on public transport. I HAVE to go shopping , it is not optional. Going to pubs, night clubs, football and so on IS optional so the choice to wear a mask is yours. I don’t go to pubs and have never been to a football match but I am old and vulnerable so would like to go shopping with a diminished risk of catching the flu or any other virus so that I can go to race meetings and bike shows if I think it is safe to do so.
That’s a good point IMHO.

My main point in this debate is to get people and society up and running again as soon as deemed safe to do so… albeit we might have to debate exactly how safe is safe!

But we can do all of that and still keep mask wearing in key public areas. It seems like a small price to pay for some extra safety net and extra public confidence.
 
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Masks should be compulsory in shops and on public transport. I HAVE to go shopping , it is not optional. Going to pubs, night clubs, football and so on IS optional so the choice to wear a mask is yours. I don’t go to pubs and have never been to a football match but I am old and vulnerable so would like to go shopping with a diminished risk of catching the flu or any other virus so that I can go to race meetings and bike shows if I think it is safe to do so.
a letter suggested particular hours for essential shopping only for mask wearers. Just an idea.
 
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If Boris makes them no longer mandatory then the onus will be on the shopkeepers, no? Can he cherry pick as to where or when we should wear?
 

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Well, he cudda just said “all shops, shopping centres, public transport”. That wudda been quite clear I think.

Putting the onus on shop keepers ain’t fair cos what are they expected to do when someone says ‘f*ck off’ ?!
 
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I've only read speculatory (?) headlines so far (as most internet 'news' appears to be these days) so not totally clued up on what exactly has or will be proposed, outside of an expected 'relaxation' on the 19th?
 

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Have you seen what that sunscreen does to paint ?
Who knows what it does to ya body
We had a permanent ‘ghost’ handprint imprinted into our car a few years ago when one of the kids closed the door with a hand covered in sun screen !!

it does make you wonder!
 
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