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Have a happy day . Everybody seems to be afraid of dying. I have worked in places where you could lose your life, literally in a flash. I am going to live until I die. When you are gone, you probably do not know it. All you can do is manage the risk.
 

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I see no reason why it could not be a government app download that you fill in online with your details/red tape and then a drive through vaccination, jab in the arm (could be a full car) scan your phone barcode and off you go.
 

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I see no reason why it could not be a government app download that you fill in online with your details/red tape and then a drive through vaccination, jab in the arm (could be a full car) scan your phone barcode and off you go.
Good to hear. Re. Apps etc for managing appt bookings etc., it gets real sticky when needing to capture someones health records as there is lots of legislation around it to protect patient details/medical records etc. I'd say, here in Canada, medical records are guarded much better than banking records. So any app has to be well hardened agaist hacking, misuse & abuse. This takes time and certification processes....all usually taking year or more to implement.
So we are left with what looks like archaic processes by modern phone app experiences.
 

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Canada is about to start the NHL hockey semi-finals...with only one Canadian team left and 3 US teams. Watching the Canadian games has been quite strange as only 10% arena audience capacity has been permitted (with full vax'd healthcare workers as only attendees). The games in the US has been like looking at replays from 2 years ago, absolutely packed houses. Our gov't has granted special provision (calling it "of national importance") to permit teams to travel to/from the US during these cross border games starting next week. This could get ugly really fast....I'm kinda hoping the Candians get knocked out in a four game sweep to minimize all the border crossing....
 

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Canada is about to start the NHL hockey semi-finals...with only one Canadian team left and 3 US teams. Watching the Canadian games has been quite strange as only 10% arena audience capacity has been permitted (with full vax'd healthcare workers as only attendees). The games in the US has been like looking at replays from 2 years ago, absolutely packed houses. Our gov't has granted special provision (calling it "of national importance") to permit teams to travel to/from the US during these cross border games starting next week. This could get ugly really fast....I'm kinda hoping the Candians get knocked out in a four game sweep to minimize all the border crossing....
I miss going to ice hockey games. I went to a sht ton of U of Minnesota games in the 70s, Northstars, and then minor league games. Not the same coaching 3rd grade field hockey in NZ.
 

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Booked, the earliest I could get is July. (Follow up shot in September)

It was people over fifty only which has suddenly been raised to over sixty, sure am glad to be in the now deemed safe 61 yo zone.
EBay to the rescue.


 

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Hot off the press........


another Dr suspended.....yet more court cases

FREEDOM! (FOR TOOTING)

It's 20 odd pages long, some of the concepts contained in the letter may be beyond you, but keep at it, eh.......or just keep wearing the gimp masks like good totalitarian slaves.
Hmm...you join a Norton forum and post six times in six months ALL on this thread.

Congratulations, you have achieved TROLL status!
 

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Is everyone in the UK ready to go cold turkey?
Seems a bit nerve wracking for sure!

I think a lot of people, myself included, will keep wearing masks in crowded places etc.

I think Boris’ argument is a good one though… this virus is here to stay, do we stay partially locked down forever? Do we close theatres and stadiums, etc, etc forever? If the answer is no, then it’s all a question of ‘when’ do we take these steps.

Currently, we have well over 80% of all adults jabbed once, over 50% jabbed twice, we have low covid rates in hospitals, low covid deaths, we are in the summer with no flu epidemic etc. On top of all that, the experiments conducted by having raves etc earlier in the year showed very low spread… so, if we can’t relax measures now, when can we?!?
 
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Seems a bit nerve wracking for sure!

I think a lot of people, myself included, will keep wearing masks in crowded places etc.

I think Boris’ argument is a good one though… this virus is here to stay, do we stay partially locked down forever? Do we close theatres and stadiums, etc, etc forever? If the answer is no, then it’s all a question of ‘when’ do we take these steps.

Currently, whave well over 80% of all adults jabbed once, over 50% jabbed twice, we have low covid rates in hospitals, low covid deaths, we are in the summer with no flu epidemic etc. On top of all that, the experiments conducted by having raves etc earlier in the year showed very low spread… so, if we can’t relax measures now, when can we?!?
When case numbers are declining not increasing?

And maybe a phased approach?
 

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Case numbers are simply not an issue IF they do not lead to serious illness! That’s a big IF of course, but the current stats appear to show it is the case.

We HAVE had a phased approach, and we ARE still in that phased approach! This was the last step in the phased approach, it was planned for a month prior, but was delayed.

The longer a lock down persists, the greater the ‘exit wave‘ will be. One of the current biggest fears is there will likely be a huge flu epidemic this winter because we are not exposing ourselves to viruses and keeping our immune systems active. So, the hope is that lifting restrictions now will allow immunity to build before winter. In excess of 20,000 deaths for flu is not uncommon here. Unless we do something, this coming winter will likely be much worse.

Look, even the BBC agree (for none Brits this may be difficult to understand, but the BBC is a left biased agency who do their utmost not to agree with the Conservative government), about anything, ever !!

https://apple.news/AUmuCL2MCQmuCgU2izJeH1A
 
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The vaccine breaks the link between case numbers and lockdown, the focus is now on hospital admissions and deaths. The case numbers are rising in the UK but only slight increases in hospitalisations and deaths, best to let the virus run during the summer to mop up the anti vaxxers and the young so along with the vaccinated, herd immunity is achieved before winter.
 

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Not so good if you are the deaths.

But hey, go to the pub. We are.
That’s not a solution though is it?!

No one is saying that deaths are good. No one is defending Covid. If we could make it go away we would!

What about the likely flu deaths? What about the massive backlog of patients and increase in heart related deaths, cancer deaths, etc? What about people’s mental and physical health.

Your argument, if laid out logically, is to stay locked down until Covid has gone away.

The flaw in that logic is that Covid ain’t goin’ away!

It is here for ever. We need to learn and develop ways of managing it so that life can go on.

Did you read the article in the link I posted? It’s a pretty good explanation and justification of the approach.
 

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That’s not a solution though is it?!

No one is saying that deaths are good. No one is defending Covid. If we could make it go away we would!

What about the likely flu deaths? What about the massive backlog of patients and increase in heart related deaths, cancer deaths, etc? What about people’s mental and physical health.

Your argument, if laid out logically, is to stay locked down until Covid has gone away.

The flaw in that logic is that Covid ain’t goin’ away!

It is here for ever. We need to learn and develop ways of managing it so that life can go on.

Did you read the article in the link I posted? It’s a pretty good explanation and justification of the approach.
Personally, as you said above, it's a bit nerve wracking (and perhaps a bit reckless) to go full on cold turkey while the CASELOAD Is ascending.

But, I get you folks over there have been fighting the open/close debate for a long time.

Mask wearing is effective at reducing spread, less effective at preventing catching it. Phasing opening policies while keeping mandatory mask wearing is prudent.

NZ currently has ZERO community transmission cases , and had had for the bulk of the crisis, yet we have a requirement to wear masks on public transport and are discussing whether or not mandatory contact app tracing is prudent in the face of Delta which has recently come in via the AUS travel bubble, and is +40% more transmissable.

Get your flu jab too.
 

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Well Boris has certainly 'rolled the dice'. I am in favour of some lifting of restrictions but the approach is risky.

The problem as I see it is what looks like the stopping of most of the remaining COVID regulations in one go. I feel that a gradual approach would have been better.
Agreed that wearing a mask in confined spaces will continue to be a good idea - reckon it will remain a part of our culture for a while yet.

Whilst a high percentage of the UK population has been vaccinated, at around 50% fully vaccinated, most information I have seen has 60-70% as the minimum for 'herd protection'. Perhaps better to have waited until 60% fully vaccinated before stopping the mask-wearing regulations. I've always been a bit sceptical about social distancing in confined spaces. Good ventilation and mask wearing look to be much more important and effective.

For non-Brits, not all Brits think the BBC is left biased! Just being critical and challenging to governments does not mean bias. The BBC has over the years been accused of bias by both the left and right. Bias itself is highly subjective and often is just so much opinion rather than fact. Personally I find the BBC increasingly insipidly neutral and not challenging enough of politicians!

Just my two penn'orth and with fingers crossed that we don't brew a new more deadly variant.

Andy
 

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You have a choice, you can go out or not. You can wear a mask or not. You can get your jabs or not. We all have different risk levels and different tolerance to risk. Like with investing. You make your CHOICES. Which, after all, is what we do every day in life.
You can get killed driving to work. You can get killed just because you have a fluke gene set. You can get killed because of any number of life choices.
....and you can choose to worry about everything or not.
Let us go forth and live life.
 
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