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If adjuster seems too far out, rotate engine until suspect valve is closed, loosen adjuster .... jiggle pushrod or hook with wire ..... finger tighten and check if adjuster length now seems OK. Adjuster length should be near same if pushrods are located properly.

Slick
 
5.5 mm eBay borescope will not fit into push rods, no room. Rechecked all and all is fine with pushrods and valve adjusters.

I want to reinstall this engine with the front and rear mount plates, but without the transmission, can I do this ?
And then fit the trans and primary case/drive later?

I cant have pulled the whole eng/trans....too heavy.
 
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I want to reinstall this engine with the front and rear mount plates, but without the transmission, can I do this ?
And then fit the trans and primary case/drive later?

I cant have pulled the whole eng/trans....too heavy.

Dunno about P11, but for sure cannot remove/install gearbox with a Featherbed. Primary should be no problem to fit after engine is fitted in frame.

Slick
 
engine back together ready for install.

I don't know if the rear plates will allow install of this assembly.


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Engine would not go in, for me, with rear mount plates on .
Removed plates, studs and spacers.
Engine installed with Phillips screwdrivers thru forward mount holes.

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With only a screwdriver in the upper forward mount, a scissor jack lifted the engine high enough to install the low, 5/16" stud for the rear plates (with proper spacer). Not an easy task as it may sound. requires a very thin screwdriver be used in the forward stud location to allow engine to move forward a fraction of an inch.

After this lower 5/16" stud is installed and semi snug, lower the P11 engine and install the remaining two 3/8" studs and spacers. Then snug all 6 rear mount plate nuts.

It is at this point I start thinking about the side stand mount. I have a proper side stand mount, (25175/25176), but no hardware.



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It is at this point I start thinking about the side stand mount. I have a proper side stand mount, (25175/25176), but no hardware.
If you don't have the hardware for the upper and lower mounting lugs, be aware that the P11 uses a bolt for the inboard and a stud for the outboard where featherbed models use a stud front and rear.
 
I am finding the P11 transmission (1) is easily fitted after engine and plates are installed. I am having to relearn the location of the mount hardware.
The trans top bolt seems to go with head to the left to clear inner primary case, but I show it here installed with head to right.

The side stand lug pair, simply loose bolted into place with a top bolt, will not let the inner primary case fit flat to mount.
The bolt head (2) hits the inner case.
Is there a special narrow bolt head type bolt required?


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here is what is ordered from Baxter -
Pivot 03-3278 1 $14.50
? 03-3279 1 $4.00
Bolt 03-3158 1 $12.00
Stud NM25179 1 $22.50
Stud nut NM11824 1 $12.50
Spring NM16176 1 $8.50
 
03-3279 is the circlip for the 03-3278 pivot pin. I hope you ordered two as one is required for each end. This is a common external circlip available at most supply houses.
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P11 side stand parts received today from Baxter Cycle, fast shipping.

lock ring is like a small piston ring. pathetic


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Hmmm....interesting. The photo I posted was from the Norvil site. RGM shows an e-clip. I wonder if Randy Baxter's is NOS? I have never seen that clip. Many early stands use a tapered pin with no clips. The pin fits flush with the lug.
 
Side stand assembled and trialed. 13 degree lean angle seems reasonable.
Pivot pin 03-3278 and clips do not work on the original P11 rough cast side stands, Too short!
The pin and clip are to be used on a machined pivot pin surface stand, which must be the Ranger style stand.
I think I will be using bolt and nylock nut.
It is critical to get this stand on now, while engine is loose.


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Fabricated a .072" aluminum shim for the side stand lug. drove the lug set forward to tighten, then tightened hardware. Seems secure.

The shim was folded on three sides to ensure it doesn't move. I might add some RTV or epoxy.


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Finishing all the details becomes rather complicated and I am getting impatient. Trial fitting, making adjustments, relearning prior install, revising the side stand, TriSpark install/timing, new battery (positive ground), air cleaner install procedure, checking nut/bolt tight, blah, blah....

Waiting for primary gasket, exhaust gaskets

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Test run found loose oil banjo (fixed), shifting not easy to get out of first (possibly dragging clutch).

Kick start back to normal compression, but my right leg is out of practice.

Basically my corrective action on this Norton P11 was to replace the JS Performance, .060" copper head gasket with a new one.............but only after I resurfaced both the alloy head and the steel barrel set. They both were way out, as far as I was concerned. And kinda a surprise after coming out of a Norton venue machine shop.

I reassembled with same rings, pistons, pins that did show some wear, but the ring end gap was as new.

I had replaced the ignition with TriSpark and that was reinstalled and timed.
The valve tip ends did show wear, so now setting valve gap is educated feel.
Nice to have an original side stand with a new skid plate from Bill.
I am running a steel oil tank and steel air cleaner for current road service.
Nothing sounds like a P11 with shorty mufflers.


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I am blacking my plugs with the standard settings....and needle in position middle (2).
I am dropping needles to position (1) top groove, lowest setting to lean it out.
Any others having this need?
My pilot jet does not look changeable, permanent.
New Amals with very few miles.

Could non-ethanol vs ethanol 10% be my issue?
have other used both fuels and can comment?

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