New Front Brake Kit

Uhhh, page four.
The time spent arguing could have the kit on there, not that it sounds as tho that will happen!
The slider switchover required no alterations to anything, the Mastercylinder/switch cluster work was simple, just a die grinder and a drill,even a hand held drill would do.
A slightly different brake lever for the MK3 would make the job really simple, changing that took the greatest amount of effort.
The other option is to change the switch gear on the right side to pre MK3 type.
The Brembo kit automatically requires chucking out the Norton switch gear on all year Commandos, so I can't get too upset about the minor bit of fettling needed to make this kit go onto a MK3,(and keeping Norton gear)even tho it is not intended for that.

Glen

I for one wish to thank madass for all his hard work and contributions to the Norton family. Shipping from half way around the world only took 4 days from the day of order and his customer service has been excellent. My stock master cylinder was pitted in the bore and had other issues, in other words it is junk. madass had the solution I needed and with his new master cylinder. Not only was it much cheaper than trying to source a Lockheed cylinder it also improved the braking that now works as it should have. Great person to deal with and a great piece of kit.






Marc

Madass,

Could you explain how you can sell this dual brake system on your website and there isn't a way to make this work on an MKIII? I honestly can't figure out the differences between the sliders with the exception of the dual system moving the left caliper to the back side of the slider.

http://www.tritonmotorcycleparts.com/29 ... tid=146825

Why couldn't everything on the bottom of the MKIII be pitched and replaced with your dual disk system?

Obviously there are people who have fitted the pre-74 kit to the right side of MKIII's some have contributed here.

I have read through all of your posts on the subject and originally read the thread where you were asking members to help you design the kit you sell...but there is nothing that explains the differences. I can find nothing on the web that explains what is different between the pre-74 and MKIII brakes other than the caliper move from right to left. If there is something specific about the castings why can't you explain it and put this to rest?

Are you concerned about liability with fitting the right brake to the left or fitting it to an MKIII? That would make more sense than the technical run around and not answering the questions.

I think you have done a great job putting the system together and only wanted to understand what the issues were with fitting to MKIII...it just seems odd that you are unwilling to share the reasons other than there is a difference....one that I have been unable to find, discover or uncover.

"it just seems odd that you are unwilling to share the reasons other than there is a difference.."
hmmm, well if there is a difference wouldnt that tell you that, that is the reason?
the left side twin disc slider from my twin disc kit is made specifically for that application, , even the right slider from the twin disc kit cant be used on the pre MK3 single disc kits, The twin disc kits use a completely different hub, sliders and even calipers. ALSO there is no provision for fender mounting on the twin disc kits . thats why I supply a Dunstall type fender with these kits.

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lomaxcm said:

I for one wish to thank madass for all his hard work and contributions to the Norton family. Shipping from half way around the world only took 4 days from the day of order and his customer service has been excellent. ... Great person to deal with and a great piece of kit.
Marc

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I purchased the kit on Sunday, it shipped on Monday and I got it Thursday early morning. From the far east to Mesa, AZ in a touch over 3 days.

Madass140 is straight forward and doesn't mince words. Exactly what most of us would rather deal with. Says what he means and backs it up with performance.
I can't ask for more from a supplier of quality parts at a fair price!

Cheers, Frank

wah64apache said:

lomaxcm said:

I for one wish to thank madass for all his hard work and contributions to the Norton family. Shipping from half way around the world only took 4 days from the day of order and his customer service has been excellent. ... Great person to deal with and a great piece of kit.
Marc

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I purchased the kit on Sunday, it shipped on Monday and I got it Thursday early morning. From the far east to Mesa, AZ in a touch over 3 days.

Madass140 is straight forward and doesn't mince words. Exactly what most of us would rather deal with. Says what he means and backs it up with performance.
I can't ask for more from a supplier of quality parts at a fair price!

Cheers, Frank

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And all he's done here is say that he doesn't supply something (for whatever reason)! I know we all like to slag off people who sell us duff parts etc. but it seems a tad harsh to get shirty with someone just because they don't make the particular after market upgrade someone is looking for.
Seems to have all the ingredients of a typical Internet fall out I'd say. I doubt the conversation would have gone this way over a shop counter...

I asked him in a PM a couple of months ago and he brushed me off and told me to figure it out. I asked multiple times here and he did not answer. I would have bought the kit and modified it if he would have simply answered what the difference was. Go back and read the posts. I have a right to not engage and so I blocked him. I have a right to do that. Nothing he is saying on the board or to me is of any value anyway because I have a MKIII.

madass140 said:

norton didnt just change the fork slider from left to right,

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Yes, they did (and from right to left).

madass140 said:

the MK3 left slider is a completely different casting.

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No, the Norton one it isn't. Yours may well be different but that doesn't appear to be what you are saying.

'72 -'74
RH disc slider: 063316
LH slider (for "Disc Brake"): 063318

MkIII LH disc slider: 063316.
MkIII RH pinch bolt slider: 063318

http://www.bigdcycle.com/books.html
http://www.nortonmotors.de/ANIL/Norton% ... s-list.php?

Yes, they did (and from right to left).
what I was implying was changing from one side to the other was not just a matter of just changing the slider,
hoses, pipes hose bracket, mastercylinder were all changed.
all these things and my right slider prevent my 71-74 brake kit being able to be used on a MK3.
I should of worded like this, Norton didnt just change the slider from one side to the other, they also changed the hoses, pipes, bracket, mastercylinder.

dennisgb said:

I asked him in a PM a couple of months ago and he brushed me off and told me to figure it out. I asked multiple times here and he did not answer. I would have bought the kit and modified it if he would have simply answered what the difference was. Go back and read the posts. I have a right to not engage and so I blocked him. I have a right to do that. Nothing he is saying on the board or to me is of any value anyway because I have a MKIII.

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I wasn't referring to you blocking, that was probably very sensible, ie, trying to draw a line under the whole situation. It seems that is the best thing here, the guy doesn't make what you want, you've both now "officially" fallen out and neither of you are going to win over the other now, surely time to stop, and move on.

id like to post some feedback on the Madass kit from my point of view.

I ordered my Kit and it arrived superfast to Germany. Unfortunately i did have some technical issue, one was with the disc that had probably been bent during shipping. Madass was very helpful with this and shipped me a replacement Disc.
I have been riding with the Madass kit since about 2000 miles now and it is a major improvement over the Stock brake. Coming from a modern bike background, i could not deal with the vintage single piston brake. this new one is just how i like it. Not too harsh, very nice responsonsive breaking.

thanx Madass for making these kits, improving our Nortons.

I have about 1000mi on my brakeset from madass. Fast delivery, super easy install, works really well. For me, this upgrade is mandatory for safety reasons, but wait, it looks great too!

Thanks for a great piece of kit.

Merry Xmas!

I don't see the problem here, seems to be an argument about nothing.
. I have fitted the kit on a Mk3 as repeatedly mentioned and it was easy peasy. If you are really after good braking Dennis, suck it up and order one, you will not be disappointed. Alternately there is the CNW Brembo kit, which is made to fit both MK3 and other Commandos. By the time you are done with it tho, changing your switchgear and throttle, purchasing new items of same, I think you will be into more work plus have lost your original metal cased Lucas switches and throttle, which I was able to keep. Cost for the Brembo kit including the extra bits needed, the throttle, swichgear, fender stay, will be 15-1600 with shipping, roughly double the Madass kit.
By all accounts it is a very good brake as well, can't go wrong with Brembo.

Glen

I have a Madass kit on my '71 and love it. As others have said dealing with Don was easy and shipping was prompt. I too am thinking of putting one on my MK3. My current thought is to just get the old style switch gear for the right side. I have already switched sides for the caliper and rotor so the kit should be as easy to install as the one I put on the '71.

Bill G

Looking at Madass's site, it looks like you could use his dual disk set up on a MkIII.

http://www.tritonmotorcycleparts.com/29 ... tid=146825

He states you use the stock Norton master cylinder with the dual disc set up.

thats correct my dual disc kit would fit any Norton 64 on coz I supply 2 new sliders, but no you cant use the left slider from that kit when using the stock hub, I manufacture my own twin disc hubs .

Thanks for the quick response. I'm looking at the dual disc kit for the MkIII for the bike I'll be building for my wife later this winter. Looking at the posts from Wartorn about the lever reach being too big, I was thinking this would be a good alternative.

Then again, what's the diameter of the master cylinder used with the single disc? Could you use a sleeved stock master cylinder?

the single disc, mine or Norton works best with either my 1/2" mastercylinder or a sleeved Norton mastercylinder.
the twin disc kit works best with the standard 5/8" Norton mastercylinder, thats why I dont supply a mastercylinder with the twin disc kit.

Had mine on now for a few months and it's working great, just love having a brake that'll haul you up when you need it. One thing I've noticed is that it's a bit bouncy, Has anyone else found this? I expected some measure of bounce with so many pots but am wondering if I'll need the hub checked/machined to true up the Disc