More Triumph trouble for Garner...

In the US the Thruxton is $12,500 and the Thruxton R is $14,500. Confirmed with dealer today at the International Motorcycle Show.

I bet it will cost you plenty registering a Canadian bike here.

Still no word on weight or hp. Suspect they are done being fucked over by the EPA yet.
 
Shouldn't be very much, we are NAFTA trading partners after all. I have taken a few bikes the other way and the actual cost at the border was zero, just the regular sales tax we pay on every purchase. For the last purchase, a 1963 BSA Super Rocket, I hired an International broker who charged $60 to file the paperwork, that was the only extra fee for importing.
I have always thought the US would be, if anything, less taxing on such things, but maybe not?

Glen
 
If the Truxton R had more carbon fiber bits, dials like the Norton, as much billet, an Ohlin form and was hand built, it would cost more too. Put them side by side and you'll see the cost cutting.
 
BPHORSEGUY said:
$14500 R Usd and $12500 regular Thruxton.
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Okay, thanks. I did see that. So, yes, my price difference was off by a few thousand. :wink: But my pseudo "buyer's remorse" stems from spending $20K for the base unit and then needing to add another $2800 for upgrades and minor accessories. Don't get me wrong - I still love what they are building for me. And that's based on most of the positive stories about handling, etc. that I've read here. The stylish looks of the bike is a given!

Peter
 
Are you certain?
I think it might be worth inquiring. Duty on most items disappeared with NAFTA, but I don't know if the US is identical to Canada on importation of new vehicles.
When the CDN dollar was on par with the US or above par it made sense for Canadians to purchase new cars in the US. There is no duty on new vehicles coming into Canada, just the regular sales tax, albeit on a smaller value, so even the sales tax was lowered. Savings were as high as 10k on a new pickup.
Well worth the paperwork.

OK I found it on the US Customs and Excise site. Canadian built vehicles of all types coming into the US are zero duty, new motorcycles from countries other than Canada are 2.4%.
So based on $11,400, the duty is about $300. Still leaves about $2800 in savings, might be worth it if happen to live reasonable close to the border.


Glen
 
Actually Glen I am not certain, I know years ago you had to ,don't know for sure with NAFTA. This summer a friend of mine bought a '73 Trans Am, he was held for several hours at the border and did pay more in tax back home. You have been lucky and you did say Canadian sales tax had to be payed, it would have to be paid again here also.

I think the thing to take away here is that US buyers want to know in US dollars from a dealer what it will cost and that is $14500. I am only a few hours from the Canadian border but I want the goodwill from my local dealer and I would not risk a border fiasco, I've heard stories :shock:
 
I paid no state tax at point of sale on the bikes because they were for all for export to Canada, then paid the normal Canadian sales tax on the bikes when they went thru the border. I actually paid less sales tax than if I had purchased the bike in Canada as at that time the same bike was more expensive in Canada, which also means more tax.
Same process going the other way, the US buyers pay no Canadian sales tax as the sale is for export. Dealers all have the tax exempt forms and should understand the process.
Corsa Ducati in Portland does, they had all the Border paperwork done and in a Manila envelope for me when I arrived to pick up the bike.
I used to have the export tax exemption forms here as I shipped a fair bit of our Millwork production to US customers.

But I get not wanting to deal with the Border, I always dread that too, however my actual dealings with them have been perfectly straightforward and easy. You just have to get a copy of the rules and follow them to a T.
I'm retired and quite happy to spend a few hours or more dealing with a bit of paperwork when it saves thousands.

Right now I don't need to, the lowest price is the Canadian price.

Glen
 
You guys keep talking about US to Canada, anyone actually bring a new bike in from Canada?
 
After Nafta it's supposed to be the same either way. A phone call to US Customs will get the info.

Glen
 
I am not an expert on foreign trade.
However, last July I had to ship a set of used Dunstall silencers to a friend in Canada.
I took them to UPS here in New York and asked them to give me an estimate of shipping charges.
I was told that shipping would cost over $100.00. I was shocked.
The UPS guy told me that cross border shipping incurred a customs charge, and then he handed me 3 long customs forms to fill out.
I reminded him that the silencers were used, not new, and he told me it didn’t matter.

I don't know if NAFTA applies to all trade across the border.
 
worntorn said:
After Nafta it's supposed to be the same either way. A phone call to US Customs will get the info.

Glen
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Not worried about NAFTA, it's EPA and DOT you have to think about. You might get it across the border but Cavan you register it.
 
BritTwit said:
I am not an expert on foreign trade.
However, last July I had to ship a set of used Dunstall silencers to a friend in Canada.
I took them to UPS here in New York and asked them to give me an estimate of shipping charges.
I was told that shipping would cost over $100.00. I was shocked.
The UPS guy told me that cross border shipping incurred a customs charge, and then he handed me 3 long customs forms to fill out.
I reminded him that the silencers were used, not new, and he told me it didn’t matter.

I don't know if NAFTA applies to all trade across the border.
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I bring a lot of stuff into Canada from the US. Motorcycles, motorcycle parts, farm equipment parts, tools and so on.
The shipping companies gouge heavily for anything going cross border so that is out. Many US EBay sellers are in fear of the unknown, sure there are massive costs, but not keen on finding out what the rules are, so they won't ship to Canada. Since we are close to the border and there are good things on eBay, I boned up on the rules (for import to Canada) and rented a large PO box.
In four years of making weekly trips to bring back items I have never been asked to pay duty or any charge other than taxes on any import including motorcycles. For purchases under $200, the Customs officers just wave me through, not worth their time to collect tax on $200.
II suspect it is similar going the other way, however there could be different rules. A phone call would confirm that.
With my last motorcycle import, the red tape was all on the US side as they required 72 hrs notice and paperwork filed to release the bike from the US. Once the Canadians saw that the US paperwork was done they simply collected the normal sales tax.

Glen
 
Glen,

What would the tax % be in Canada for a US bike that you brought across to Canada - 10%. 15%?
Would the Canadian authorities accept a bill of sale as verification of actual purchase price?

Fred
 
In Canada we have a General Sales Tax or GST on most things. This tax is 5 % and that is what is collected at the Canadian Customs. We also have a Provincial Sales tax on most items, (same application as a State sales tax) and that is 7% in British Columbia. I had to pay that upon registering the bikes for road use.
So those taxes are there for me whether I purchase in Canada or in the US, except the items I buy in the US are all lower cost than in Canada, so the tax is reduced when buying in the US. And for quick trips bringing $200 or less there is no tax, so that saves a bit more.
If we happen to spend more than 48 hours in the US then each person in the vehicle can return home with $750 tax free.

A bill of sale and title is all that is needed for the Motorcycle import, other than filing for export with the US Customs. I have been told that without the US filing and release it is possible that the vehicle could be seized if one re-enters the US on it/in it if the vehicle is listed on the US data bank as stolen.
So it makes sense to do the US paperwork to make sure the vehicle is not stolen and the title is clear.

I sold a three year old diesel pickup to the US last time the Canadian dollar was very low. The purchaser had no problem at the border. He said it was a very good deal for him and it was terrific for me, I ordered a new pickup with more expensive options for almost exactly the same dollar amount as the old one sold for. The three year old pickup had 90,000 kms on it and needed new tires.
That was probably a one off.

Glen
 
Still no mention of HP, just torque. I'd like to know the top end in performance, not just 3500 rpm. Can't wait to take a T120 for a spin. I could use another two up bike.
 
More info to be announced at the EICMA show in a few days.
HP can be determined from the torque curves Triumph provided. Looks like the Thruxton is around 95 HP Max, although some guesswork is involved since the graph is limited in detail.
Triumph also lists a factory race kit for the Thruxton, this increases HP and torque, decreases weight. It appears to be a/cat delete exhaust option.

The Thruxton could reach the magic 100 bhp with the kit.

In any case, with the 1200 CC engine and so much torque thru the rev range, it will be a powerful machine.

Glen
 
Yes, Triumph will release all specifications on Nov 17th opening of EICMA show in Milan.
Four years in the works, they should be pretty damn good.
 
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