Mk2a frame side cover internal pieces.

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Would anyone have a picture of what those NLA parts are that look to fit inside the covers (for paperwork, riders manual perhaps, made of plastic ?)
I did get Tool Tray Item # 24 in my last AN order but wonder what those other bits look like # 19 - 20 - 21 - 22.
A hunt might be in order as they are missing from my Mk2a.

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Time Warp said:
Would anyone have a picture of what those NLA parts are that look to fit inside the covers (for paperwork, riders manual perhaps, made of plastic ?)
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I've never seen anything resembling those items in pictures of 'A' panels and they're not listed in the Mk2/2A supplement either.
Due to the limited space from the across-the-frame, 'A' battery with those items fitted there would be practically no space for anything much thicker than a rider's manual (which wouldn't fit behind the Roadster cover without bending or folding) so I'd guess they weren't used (unless for the Interpol?) so probably aren't "NLA" parts unless others know differently?
 
My MK2a covers show no evidence of any fittings or glue residue internally.

AN do get mixed up from time to time by having all the factory drawings , just because there is a drawing does not mean the part was ever made or used, just as not every revision of a drawing was ever made or used. Its a valuable resource for them but has to be used with some detective work.
 
kommando said:
AN do get mixed up from time to time by having all the factory drawings , just because there is a drawing does not mean the part was ever made or used, just as not every revision of a drawing was ever made or used. Its a valuable resource for them but has to be used with some detective work.
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I don't know why AN use that drawing for Mk1A and Mk2A when there's a better drawing available (below) without the errors and omissions. For example, the black cap exhaust brackets '4' and '5' (which are the same part) they list are still the wrong (Interpol/low level) items '27' and '28', below, (4 & 5 not drawn accurately on their diagram).

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I mentioned the drawing when I had limited success getting some of the long-standing parts/website errors corrected...
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Thanks for the replies.

These are my side covers painted around 2005 that have no obvious sign of any attached part being there. (mechanically)
The reason I asked was a post on Facebook mentioned the side cover tool tray ( < Two seems unlikely) was going to be removed to fit a larger battery so am hoping a picture will be shown.

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I have to admit I did contact AN on FB once and the big cheese answered personally. (Perhaps it was a week day :D )
Even Gary Nixon got back to me the next day which was humbling (sent him some non public pictures)

Paul Smart on the right ? (Its gone Al now)

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You know who on the left.

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"Special noise control models have a vacuum moulded plastic tool tray beneath the seat, access to which is gained merely by releasing and lifting the seat. The remaining tools are located in the left side panel which has a Dzus fastener on the lower outer surface."
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This quote is from the Mark II/IIA Norton Riders Manuel 850 under Tools. The last sentence confused me because I wondered what remaining tools they were referring to and how they would be stored. I have all of the original tools that were supplied with my motorcycle and they all fit under the seat in the moulded tool tray.

So my best guess is that when they were developing the Mark IA (i.e. special noise control model) they were trying to figure out how to store all of the supplied tools. Then they replaced a number of tools with the special stamped-out multi-tool wrenches which made it possible so that all of the tools could be stored under the seat.

Apparently they revised the Mark IA drawing for the Parts Book supplement without the tool tray in the side panel. They never got around to revising the Riders Manual which would eliminate that last sentence.


Peter Joe
 
Maybe the FB post is referring to a side cover from a different year? Some years had a steel ‘compartment‘ spot welded into the LHS cover. But as already suggested, this would foul the across the frame battery.
 
Fast Eddie said:
Maybe the FB post is referring to a side cover from a different year? Some years had a steel ‘compartment‘ spot welded into the LHS cover. But as already suggested, this would foul the across the frame battery.
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A lot of the 'Import' repros have this, I had to dremel mine to fit the Mk3..
 
Time Warp said:
These are my side covers painted around 2005 that have no obvious sign of any attached part being there. (mechanically)
The reason I asked was a post on Facebook mentioned the side cover tool tray ( < Two seems unlikely) was going to be removed to fit a larger battery so am hoping a picture will be shown.
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A Mk2 battery cover side panel should still have the tool tray but not Mk2A as that had the under-seat tray.

There are two left-hand items shown on that drawing as parts to fit an Interstate panel would've been different from those for a Roadster.

None on the oil tank side.
 
L.A.B. said:
A Mk2 battery cover side panel should still have the tool tray but not Mk2A as that had the under-seat tray.

There are two left-hand items shown on that drawing as parts to fit an Interstate panel would've been different from those for a Roadster.

None on the oil tank side.
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The FB poster said Mk2a but perhaps it is a case of really being a Mk2 (iirc they are going to fit a 1972 side cover)
Saved from chasing Mk2a parts that do not exist.
 
Time Warp said:
The FB poster said Mk2a but perhaps it is a case of really being a Mk2 (iirc they are going to fit a 1972 side cover)
Saved from chasing Mk2a parts that do not exist.
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A Mk2A cover would have the recess and hole for the Dzus fastener, also the hole for the plastic airbox bracket location pin and only one rear grommet hole.
The Mk2 Interstate and Roadster left-hand covers were the same parts as the Edit '72 750 and 850 Mk1 (063503 = Roadster, 063505 = Interstate) therefore, a Mk2 panel would have the usual front Dzus bracket and not the lower rear Dzus hole/recess or the upper locating hole and would have two rear grommet holes.
 
I will live with the new #24 frame rail tool tray. (Was missing from the bike)

I am not sure if this is an original tool kit and pouch, most have Made In England embossed, the dual tip screwdriver is a Draper / Made in Germany.

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Here is a picture of my original toolkit for the Mark IIA. The forged open end wrenches are made by Gedore of Germany. The screwdriver is marked Draper made in W-Germany. One unusual thing about my toolkit is that it has a feeler gauge that is stamped Villiers magneto unlike the common Lucas screwdriver/feeler gauge. The rest of the tools do not have any markings at all.

There is one tool that I believe I am missing. It is a white plastic inner tube valve core removing tool.

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PeterJoe said:
Here is a picture of my original toolkit for the Mark IIA. The forged open end wrenches are made by Gedore of Germany. The screwdriver is marked Draper made in W-Germany. One unusual thing about my toolkit is that it has a feeler gauge that is stamped Villiers magneto unlike the common Lucas screwdriver/feeler gauge. The rest of the tools do not have any markings at all.

There is one tool that I believe I am missing. It is a white plastic inner tube valve core removing tool.

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Peter Joe
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Hi ,There was also a very small aerosol can of chain lube .My tool kit was same except the feeler gauge was the Lucas type .
 
HRD said:
Hi ,There was also a very small aerosol can of chain lube .My tool kit was same except the feeler gauge was the Lucas type .
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Hello lucky you. Have you checked if there is still somme propellant in your aerosol can???LOL
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Fast Eddie said:
Maybe the FB post is referring to a side cover from a different year? Some years had a steel ‘compartment‘ spot welded into the LHS cover. But as already suggested, this would foul the across the frame battery.
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It was. They were trying to modify an existing cover.
 
swooshdave said:
It was. They were trying to modify an existing cover.
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That FB post has been edited since then. (They state, going to modify a 1972 cover in the future, why when the Mk2a cover has no tool tray as said here)

Doesn't matter now.
 
L.A.B. said:
That would have been included in the 850 Mk3 tool kit as the Mk3 didn't have the chain oiler.
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The chain lube aerosol can came with my MkIIA 850 when I purchased it new,it fitted with the tool kit in the tray under the seat.The lube was enough for about two applications .
 
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