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Craig said:
Can’t believe polls or trolls , eh ?
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During WW2, before America came into the war - MI6 had operatives within the American polling organisations because each poll affects the next. They even ran their own candidate against Roosevelt. Everything was a win-win strategy. Murdoch is highly manipulative and he has loopy right-wing politics.
 
Craig said:
I'm sorry , are you saying ... that the UK ran/influenced USA Presidential elections during WW2 ?
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MI6 did have a massive and well know intelligence community operating in the US in 1940. Its main objective being US entry into the war, Britain would certainly fall to the Nazi's without considerable support.
Most Republican candidates at the time we're staunchly anti-interventionist, FDR on the other hand was not.
I don't think they ever ran a candidate against FDR but I could be wrong.
One of your fellow countrymen ran the operation.
 
I try to stay well clear of religion and politics ,but its all around us at present.This morning out on the Patio cleaning the 99 and president Trump and escort fly low over my house followed by another 4 noisey copters. Usually its only our prime minister who glides past the front door with escort off to the EU. As I live in a scruffy road the middle of nowhere its all a bit odd. Do I need to get a complex?.Or perhaps a posh tea set?.
 
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Craig said:
I'm sorry , are you saying ... that the UK ran/influenced USA Presidential elections during WW2 ?
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During WW2 before America entered the war. At that time, the Americans were supplying the British on the quiet.

MI6 was in the USA as the British Productivity Commission. Their candidate's name was Green and he ran against Roosevelt in case Roosevelt lost. The British were intent on having the US enter the war against Germany. Pearl Harbour resolved that situation. However the Japanese attack was expected to happen in Indonesia, not America.
A while back, I read a book which was about MI6 during WW2. This stuff is known but not publicised. The British are expert at being sneaky. That thing about the polls being manipulative, is old hat. But most people are not aware of it. Never accept anything at face value. The shifty guys rely on us to be simple-minded. Of course, if you go too far in the opposite direction, you get into conspiracy theories. But most things are very well planned.
 
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So ..... what was the raid by the Federal Police on the Australian Broadcasting Co. all about? Seems related to yesterday's raid on the home of a journalist.

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Good question. I assume the ABC is tight with the Aussie deep state already so it must be some kind of fight between factions within the choir?
 
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texasSlick said:
So ..... what was the raid by the Federal Police on the Australian Broadcasting Co. all about? Seems related to yesterday's raid on the home of a journalist.

Slick
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It was just our control freak Nazis doing their thing. Nothing unusual. We will deal with that. They have been re-elected with a majority - it only takes a minute and they are full steam ahead..
 
NPeteN said:
Australia confuses me.
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Australia is just like the UK but more backward. The British are more politically aware because more has been done to them, and their education system is better. I was in the UK in 1989 and in 2008. Parts of it are just like Australia was in the 1960s. I always felt as though I was at home. In Australia, or education system has been intentionally dumbed -down and Murdoch probably has much more effect than he does in the UK. The recent election result was due to the effect of Murdoch, combined with that of a mining magnate. For all intents and purposes, the LNP should have been roundly defeated.
 
The biggest factor in Australian politics is our relationship with China. We buy most manufactured items from them and in return we sell them minerals. The effect is our manufacturing industries have disappeared, and with them - the blue-collar jobs. So the Labor party's voter-base has changed and both sides of politics now have no sense of direction. Both of the major parties now dance to the same tune. Being different for political purposes has become more difficult.
 
acotrel said:
Being different for political purposes has become more difficult.
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Until relatively recently U.K. politics were the same - it was said that you could not get a cigarette paper between the two main parties policies! New Labour (under Blair) and Conservative were pretty much indistinguishable -they both promoted “centre ground” politics.
Labour are now being driven to the left through Momentum (a politics movement) and Conservative are being driven to the right by some of their own members of Parliament!
In Europe in general we are seeing more splits on the old left/right partisan politics -nationalist parties are winning significant numbers of seats and countries are becoming more divided.
For us this is evident in the Brexit debacle, people are showing increased animosity to the other side (remoaners, snowflakes, gammons... are some of the milder terms being used)
All very disappointing and sad when we see the 75th commemorations of unity and allegiance this week
John
 
Neoliberal globalism was introduced into Australia, pre-emptively by the right wing of the Labor party, so there was no resistance. It has undermined our whole social system. Our manufacturing jobs have gone offshore. There are only three major avenues for money to come into Australia - foreign investment, sale of minerals, and sale of primary produce. We also do education and tourism. The main remaining unions are in the construction industry and are targets for the right, who have pulled their teeth through legislation. So we have wealthy mining magnates and retailers who vote for the Liberal Party and farmers who vote for the Nationals - that makes up the LNP coalition. In the recent election, the LNP campaign was negative and made up of a few promises based upon the lie that the economy is booming. Their lack of a policy platform and their majority in parliament means they have a mandate to do almost whatever they might choose. The only fly in the ointment is the ABC. It has been under attack for at least the last 20 years.
 
Well it’s official, you cannot criticise nation states or politicians without being branded with a label...
Criticise Israeli politics or their actions in certain areas and you are branded “anti Semitic” Criticise the comments of a member of congress and you are branded a racist because said member happens to be black (or is that a man of colour?).
I am no fan of President Trump or his methods of communication but he is branded racist because he objects to comments from another politician who just happens to be black - nowhere did he say anything about colour, background etc.. he said - clumsily - that before you point fingers, get your own house in order!
The political opposition and media - especially TV - no longer report events as they happen, their response is always tinged with prejudice.
Open, honest debate and equal respect no longer exist in political discourse.
 
Here is a good one of our GOV ministers Barnety Joyce who use to be second in comand has come out that he is struggling to servive on his $250k wage as well his extra entitlements that he gets on top of that,WTF are these people on, are they in the real world, come on most average Aussies are struggling to pay their bills working on very low wages just to keep their heads above water, this minister was born with a silver soon in his mouth and to come out with this, he come from a rich farmer family, but then he got caught out having an affair with his media person when she fell pregnant so I think his ex would have taken him for a ride, but still struggling to live, he don't know what the word hardship is, I don't think he will get much crying eyes from his statement from normal everyday Aussies.
All I can say "poor bastard"

Ashley
 
Eljahara said:
Well it’s official, you cannot criticise nation states or politicians without being branded with a label...
Criticise Israeli politics or their actions in certain areas and you are branded “anti Semitic” Criticise the comments of a member of congress and you are branded a racist because said member happens to be black (or is that a man of colour?).
I am no fan of President Trump or his methods of communication but he is branded racist because he objects to comments from another politician who just happens to be black - nowhere did he say anything about colour, background etc.. he said - clumsily - that before you point fingers, get your own house in order!
The political opposition and media - especially TV - no longer report events as they happen, their response is always tinged with prejudice.
Open, honest debate and equal respect no longer exist in political discourse.
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Perhaps Mr. President might have a conversation with the owner of several violation ridden Baltimore housing complexes, his son in Law.

I do agree though, civil discourse seems a thing of the past.

It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines...
 
NPeteN said:
Perhaps Mr. President might have a conversation with the owner of several violation ridden Baltimore housing complexes, his son in Law.

I do agree though, civil discourse seems a thing of the past.

It doesn't take a genius to read between the lines...
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Well . . . That misses the point. Doesn’t it?

I mean Democrats run every sh**hole city inthe country and its racist to say so?

Gee . . Maybe “progressive” policies have something to do with it?

Further, anybody who thinks they know what Trump tweeted because they saw it on the news should go onto Twitter and read the FULL tweet, not just the BS clipped loaded fake version
 
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