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Raphi said:
With 17 tooth it's less lurchy at lower speed than with stock sprocket, because you will have higher RPM at same speed. I have actually the 17t mounted.
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Well, that is what I'm after. I will take a look after I get the immediate issues resolved. Thanks, Raphi!
 
Specialist Components is an innovative engineering company.

We are well known for our innovative tuning products for the classic Mini, but we have also developed our own range of engine management systems for aftermarket, motorsport and OEM use. Our ECUs are used by prestigious UK companies such as Zenos Cars, Norton Motorcycles and Ginetta Supercars.
 
Got 'er done finally ...

I spent over an hour trying to get the re-mapped ECU re-installed. Hard to believe it took only 15 minutes to pull it out. But with that fat fuse box directly blocking my line of sight there were 2 small screws deep in the tail section that were next to impossible to line up while dangling on the end of a screwdriver without dropping them underneath the framework. I eventually got everything back in place and hooked her up to the charger for 30 minutes or so.

Then came the moment of truth. It was time to start 'er up and see if she would settle into an steady idle without any coaxing with the throttle. She required 2 stabs of the starter, but ... sonuvabitch! ... it worked. Stayed at 2K for about 30 seconds and then sunk to a stable 1200 RPM there after. It still took a good 5 minute warm-up before the throttle response became solid, but I think she's cured!! :D

Tomorrow I'll take her for a test ride before proceeding with her first oil change since the break-in period.
 
BPHORSEGUY said:
What does the SC stand for?
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I did not know what the letters SC meant. I just know thats what Norton was calling my ECU . Thanks to pingu-nz for the information !
 
Don't know if you got the same mapping, but yup....depending on how how the weather and the bike is, I get 15-30 seconds at 2 grand then to 1150, actually, but so what. Enjoy it.
 
All I can say after my road test is I am very impressed with this bike! :D

No issues starting on the first press of the button.
No issues idling after 30 (or less) seconds.
No issues (as in back fires) pulling away after a few minutes of warm up.
No issues idling after coming to a stop 3 minutes after start up.
No issues for the entire 10 mile ride! No bogging down under 4K RPM. No hesitation accelerating from 3K to 5K+ RPM. And most noticeable was the ability to blip the throttle on downshifts.

Yes, I am very happy with my 961 today. Given how much fun it is to ride now I can see it becoming the "go to" bike from now on.

On to the oil change and the replacement of my butchered oil sump drain plug with something a little more useful. :wink:
 
pingu-nz said:
Specialist Components is an innovative engineering company.

We are well known for our innovative tuning products for the classic Mini, but we have also developed our own range of engine management systems for aftermarket, motorsport and OEM use. Our ECUs are used by prestigious UK companies such as Zenos Cars, Norton Motorcycles and Ginetta Supercars.
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Thank you Sir.
 
contours said:
All I can say after my road test is I am very impressed with this bike! :D

No issues starting on the first press of the button.
No issues idling after 30 (or less) seconds.
No issues (as in back fires) pulling away after a few minutes of warm up.
No issues idling after coming to a stop 3 minutes after start up.
No issues for the entire 10 mile ride! No bogging down under 4K RPM. No hesitation accelerating from 3K to 5K+ RPM. And most noticeable was the ability to blip the throttle on downshifts.

Yes, I am very happy with my 961 today. Given how much fun it is to ride now I can see it becoming the "go to" bike from now on.

On to the oil change and the replacement of my butchered oil sump drain plug with something a little more useful. :wink:
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The only issue I have with your post is that you only took a 10 miles ride. Welcome to the club of having a bike that runs well. I still get an intermittent low idle/stall, but today the bike ran great from cold to hot to restarts. I did experience a wonky tripometer reset to 0 on its own and then couldn't scroll through the different categories, even after a few rest periods. Then.......had lunch, about 30 minutes and it cleared up. Hope I don't have a short.
 
I would love to have ridden longer, but I didn't want to rack up any more miles than necessary (already 110 over and the color is dark) before the first oil change. As it turned out the wife and I headed out for a ride that consumed the rest of the afternoon. I took the Speed Triple instead and she took the 883 Iron. It was a gorgeous day on the back roads of Southern Vermont yesterday.

I am following your reports of stalling with interest. Once I do the oil change I'll take 'er out for a long ride to see if I experience anything like what you're talking about.
 
contours said:
I would love to have ridden longer, but I didn't want to rack up any more miles than necessary (already 110 over and the color is dark) before the first oil change. As it turned out the wife and I headed out for a ride that consumed the rest of the afternoon. I took the Speed Triple instead and she took the 883 Iron. It was a gorgeous day on the back roads of Southern Vermont yesterday.

I am following your reports of stalling with interest. Once I do the oil change I'll take 'er out for a long ride to see if I experience anything like what you're talking about.
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I have 1300 miles on my last oil change and the color is a little better than tan and the level hasn't dropped at all. Just kidding about "my issue" though. I bet those Vt. roads are great riding. :D
 
In my opinion the current map/s are vastly better than what came before. But that has merely elevated the engine mapping from terrible to below average - if compared with other modern engines. My bike will sometimes start at 2,000rpm and drop to a nice idle. Other times it won't and struggles to maintain a steady idle. It generally runs to rich when cold and will backfire until warm. But it is still a big improvement over the maps that came before. I'm always careful to start the bike without touching the throttle and don't press the starter until the fuel pump has finished priming, although sometimes I have no choice but to give it a tweak to get it to catch and start. Now I do have my own custom megaphones but this should make zero difference with regard to startup and idle. I just don't understand why it's taken so long to get to this stage. Why were the old maps so bad?

As usual can I reiterate I love the bike and while the mapping is not perfect it is arguably good enough.
 
Britfan60 said:
I have 1300 miles on my last oil change and the color is a little better than tan and the level hasn't dropped at all.
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That's great! You know, maybe I shouldn't judge the color from the effluent that I drain from the airbox?

Britfan60 said:
Just kidding about "my issue" though. I bet those Vt. roads are great riding. :D
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I know you are. I thought it was funny. Yes, the weather has been really mild and the colors are insanely brilliant as we are just past peak. :mrgreen:
 
iwilson said:
As usual can I reiterate I love the bike and while the mapping is not perfect it is arguably good enough.
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I'm with you, I love this bike. However, I have at least 4 map options for my Triumph Triple (not including the factory maps) that were hashed out by techno-savvy owners. The ease of re-mapping along with available support has really spoiled me. I long for the day when software and maps for the Norton are easy to obtain.
 
richard-7 said:
If anyone has anything pre SUMMER 2015 you will be really happy spending the time (and maybe $$$) re-mapping. Better starting, idle, vibration, HP, etc....
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After a handful of rides I can definitely agree the re-map has remedied just about everything. As for the vibration, though? I don't believe there's anything to calm it down enough. I must be super-sensitive to it or something. But given the choice between taking the Norton or my Triumph triple on a 160 mile round-trip to Connecticut last week, I had to pick the Triumph. The last time I put in over 100 miles on the Norton both my hands and one foot went numb to the point of cramping solid. :shock: I mean I it was like having lobster claws ... quite unnerving (no pun intended)! Maybe it's time to swap out the grips before I go for a long ride again.
 
Or lighten up on the grip.

I got a good lesson on that MX biking last weekend. I have to remind myself all the time as the death grip does no good.

If anyone needs a remap and they are out of warranty give me shout. I have a cable now collecting dust, so I'm more than glad to do it for a small fee. Like a 12 pack of Coors Light!
 
SkeletonCycles said:
Or lighten up on the grip.

I got a good lesson on that MX biking last weekend. I have to remind myself all the time as the death grip does no good.

If anyone needs a remap and they are out of warranty give me shout. I have a cable now collecting dust, so I'm more than glad to do it for a small fee. Like a 12 pack of Coors Light!
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I have a 2016 SF. I have on order a set of cat less motad shorty exhaust. What tunes do you have available? Can I do this via mail? Send you my PCM? How can I get my own cable? I have experience doing custom tunes on cars via email. Any different?
Thanks Scott
 
SkeletonCycles said:
Or lighten up on the grip.

I got a good lesson on that MX biking last weekend. I have to remind myself all the time as the death grip does no good.
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I totally agree and I do need to work on relaxing my grip. :roll: Just saying, however, there's a lot of vibration transmitted to the handle bars and foot pegs.
 
contours said:
SkeletonCycles said:
Or lighten up on the grip.

I got a good lesson on that MX biking last weekend. I have to remind myself all the time as the death grip does no good.
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I totally agree and I do need to work on relaxing my grip. :roll: Just saying, however, there's a lot of vibration transmitted to the handle bars and foot pegs.
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Tilt bars towards seat and get some PROGRIP grips and it will be a world of difference.

BTW, with Clip-ons and norton grips I had 20min before I needed to break from numb hands. Changed grips, made a huge difference. Went back to standard bars, even better difference but still got numb hand once in a while. Tilted bars back towards me a lot, BOOM, I can ride 8hrs no numb hands. :mrgreen:

This is the best pic I have of my current bar configuration.
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Great tip, Richard. I'll try that before my next ride which should be this weekend given the warm weather we're having. :mrgreen:
 
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