MAP sensor

cliffa said:

961 nz

Hello from NZ , my 961 stops a few seconds after starting , has anyone come across this
www.accessnorton.com www.accessnorton.com
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Cliffa - I'm aware of that thread but... what is the answer to the OPs question?
ie: did early 961s come out without MAP sensors? The NZ one is 2018 - so... not early.
I am interested on behalf of a friend.
 
The thread is clear, the MAP was not there on early bikes.

What difference does the MAP sensor make to the running? My 2013 doesn't have one although I noted a reference to it in the manual so I assume there was already a plan to fit them. I remember when I was talking to SC a few years ago they said it would have been easier to setup their ECU for tickover etc if it had a MAP sensor. Is it something that would be worth retrofitting, with the relevant ECU map changes?
 
robs ss said:
Cliffa - I'm aware of that thread but... what is the answer to the OPs question?
ie: did early 961s come out without MAP sensors? The NZ one is 2018 - so... not early.
I am interested on behalf of a friend.
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MAK, I quote Stu Bodycote from the link I posted ..

"Anything euro4...so around 2018ish onwards. Basically if it has abs, it'll be euro 4 and have a map sensor."

Cheers,

cliffa.
 
cliffa said:
MAK, I quote Stu Bodycote from the link I posted ..

"Anything euro4...so around 2018ish onwards. Basically if it has abs, it'll be euro 4 and have a map sensor."

Cheers,

cliffa.
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So... does that mean bikes before then (2018? - or some other date? - euro4 means nothing to most of the world) didn't have MAP sensors?
 
Nothing to most of the world? It applies to the whole of Europe...which is quite a chunk of the world haha
As I said, all euro 4 bikes will have a map sensor...and all euro 4 bikes have abs. So if you have abs, you'll also have a map sensor. The map sensor is obviously nothing to do with the abs though, obviously. To know if you have abs, you'll have an abs warning lamp, black brake hoses with an up and over configuration on the front, and hall effect trigger discs on both wheels.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Nothing to most of the world? It applies to the whole of Europe...which is quite a chunk of the world haha
As I said, all euro 4 bikes will have a map sensor...and all euro 4 bikes have abs. So if you have abs, you'll also have a map sensor. The map sensor is obviously nothing to do with the abs though, obviously. To know if you have abs, you'll have an abs warning lamp, black brake hoses with an up and over configuration on the front, and hall effect trigger discs on both wheels.
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Thanks Stu - but is the opposite necessarily true?
ie - no ABS therefore no MAP sensor?
 
When they updated the 961's to make them euro 4 compliant, they fitted abs and also switched to the later omex ecu for euro 4 emissions.
 
Stu Bodycote said:
Nothing to most of the world? It applies to the whole of Europe...which is quite a chunk of the world haha
As I said, all euro 4 bikes will have a map sensor...and all euro 4 bikes have abs. So if you have abs, you'll also have a map sensor. The map sensor is obviously nothing to do with the abs though, obviously. To know if you have abs, you'll have an abs warning lamp, black brake hoses with an up and over configuration on the front, and hall effect trigger discs on both wheels.
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The reason I ask is that my friend's bike (2015) has "starting idiosyncrasies" - read "fussy bastard"
If it has a MAP sensor then your advice on the NZ thread - change to Yamaha MAP - would appear sound, but not if it doesn't have one.
Cheers
 
Stu Bodycote said:
When they updated the 961's to make them euro 4 compliant, they fitted abs and also switched to the later omex ecu for euro 4 emissions.
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...so - is the "later omex ecu" the first time a MAP sensor was fitted?
 
The requirement for exhaust gas emissions was tightened under Euro4, so presumably the MAP sensor was introduced to help meet those.
 
cliffa said:
The requirement for exhaust gas emissions was tightened under Euro4, so presumably the MAP sensor was introduced to help meet those.
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Would a 2016 Norton 961 euro 3 non ABS have a MAP sensor?
 
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