Leaded Gas

I saw this and thought it would get a response from folks here:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13 ... -crime.htm

explains a lot of the behavior on this site. Just kidding. I think.

I used to own more motorcycles back when there was leaded gas than I do now....

Ah the taste and order of real hi test super siphoning, was rather better than the new lean burn stuff to me. There is other toxic metals widely distributed just a bad or worse than lead. The people i studied with told us to always consider a biological reason on stubborn mental-emotional cases and a mental-emotion cause for many pain syndromes. There are ways to help detox and avoid a good bit of this pollution but it ya really dig into it, its too late to avoid a long drawn out extinction event.

seventyfour said:

I saw this and thought it would get a response from folks here:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13 ... -crime.htm

explains a lot of the behavior on this site. Just kidding. I think.

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The article states rise in crime rate in the 1970s to 1980s however quote below from Wikapedia shows Tetraethyl Lead was used as an additive since 1920s. Doesn't track, but nice try.

Tetraethyllead (common name tetraethyl lead), abbreviated TEL, is an organolead compound with the formula (CH3CH2)4Pb. It was admixed with gasoline (petrol) beginning in the 1920s as an inexpensive octane booster which allowed engine compression to be raised substantially, which in turn increased vehicle performance and fuel economy.[1][2] TEL was phased out starting in the US in the mid-1970s because of its neurotoxicity and its deleterious effect on catalytic converters.

illf8ed said:

The article states rise in crime rate in the 1970s to 1980s however quote below from Wikapedia shows Tetraethyl Lead was used as an additive since 1920s. Doesn't track, but nice try.

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I don't have a horse in the race either way. I find it interesting. Maybe it has more to do with the rate of use rather than the start of use. There seems to be the suggestion of a lag.

My hunch is that Tetraethyl Lead exposure has a closer correlation to post WWII population growth, urbanization, and prevalence of auto use.

illf8ed said:

seventyfour said:

I saw this and thought it would get a response from folks here:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13 ... -crime.htm

explains a lot of the behavior on this site. Just kidding. I think.

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The article states rise in crime rate in the 1970s to 1980s however quote below from Wikapedia shows Tetraethyl Lead was used as an additive since 1920s. Doesn't track, but nice try.

Tetraethyllead (common name tetraethyl lead), abbreviated TEL, is an organolead compound with the formula (CH3CH2)4Pb. It was admixed with gasoline (petrol) beginning in the 1920s as an inexpensive octane booster which allowed engine compression to be raised substantially, which in turn increased vehicle performance and fuel economy.[1][2] TEL was phased out starting in the US in the mid-1970s because of its neurotoxicity and its deleterious effect on catalytic converters.

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Actually it does track. See the graphs in the following article:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline?page=1

As the previous poster pointed out, tetraethyl lead may have been introduced in the 20's, but it took the post war transportation boom to really start dumping the stuff into the enviroment.

seventyfour said:

I saw this and thought it would get a response from folks here:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13 ... -crime.htm

explains a lot of the behavior on this site. Just kidding. I think.

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I believe the article is 100 % serious. There's a lot of unexplained statistical correlations. Here's a few more: (all true)

There is a statistically significant correlation between preferring soft serve ice cream to scooped and liking roller coasters.
There is a statistically significant correlation between being able to roll your R's and liking cologne.
There is a statistically significant correlation between disliking licorice and understanding html.
There is a statistically significant correlation between having ridden a motorcycle and being multi-lingual.
There is a statistically significant correlation between a higher level of typing skills and a preference of thin crust pizza to thick.
There is a statistically significant correlation between being able to burp at will and liking camping.
There is a statistically significant correlation between a tendency to binge eat when depressed and preferring non-fiction to fiction.
There is a statistically significant correlation between people who check their horoscopes regularly and flossing.

There is some controversy on whether TEL is very toxic in the environmental deposits compared to the many other sources of lead compounds but sure ain't a fertilizer. Here's the full scope in fairly short article but the gist is this quote.

But, of course, that would be another generation’s problem. In 1926, citing evidence from the TEL report, the federal government revoked all bans on production and sale of leaded gasoline. The reaction of industry was jubilant; one Standard Oil spokesman likened the compound to a “gift of God,” so great was its potential to improve automobile performance.

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http://blogs.plos.org/speakeasyscience/ ... y-streets/

hobot said:

There is some controversy on whether TEL is very toxic in the environmental deposits compared to the many other sources of lead compounds but sure ain't a fertilizer.

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Let's be clear here, TEL is very toxic.

Not sure what else you are talking about when you refer to "environmental deposits". Maybe you are referring to once the TEL contaminates the ground it is not that bioavailable, could be. I am pretty sure TEL does not occur naturally in nature if that is what you are referring to.

The primary ore of lead (Galena) is a lead sulphide and is rather innocuos. It is when you reduce to elemental lead or oxides of lead (old white paint pigment) that it becomes bioavailable.

Again, TEL is bad stuff.

Plumb crazy - love it!

I know I'm lead polluted and other metals I've tested for Dances but give me a break - I saw the violence vs leaded fuel announcement the day it came out. I posted the mean back ground article on how toxic TEL is & howed discovered and covered up. its up to you to find what the controversy is on how mean TEL is in the environment after passing through combustion. I'm glad they got the lead out but not so happy with its fuel substitutes but don't know best alternatives. I used to do old school cast iron sewer plumbing joined by pouring a pot of lead into the seams in ground horizontally or over head vertical runs and pounding it in denser tighter hoping water don't splash into the pot doing it in the rain.

A sad factor I got reading between the lines of the lead report is it implies most the trouble causers had to die off in the story period or would still be out there like Plumb Loco me - who siphoned and mixed a lot of cheap leaded gas for outboards and rinsed hands in it to degrease.

May explain why I'm so easy to out reason and why I look at E85 as cheap beverage basis. I'm toxicology trained 3x's over and in injectables and IV drips to help clear patients after diagnosing that is what's indicated. One must realize that biology is life and life is magic so just finding toxic levels or other bad things inside, don't mean its causing significant health issues in everyone, so other factors acting that established medicine ain't caught up to yet.

I love lead. As long as I can get it, I will use it. 110 leaded 50/50 with 93 no lead. My bike has seen nothing less since I have own it from early 2008.
This is an awesome compromise. Whatever school of thought asks me, I'll have the answer.......sort off.
Half truth, half life. Lead's not going anywhere. It will always be with us in one form or another.

hobot said:

I know I'm lead polluted and other metals I've tested for Dances but give me a break - I saw the violence vs leaded fuel announcement the day it came out. I posted the mean back ground article on how toxic TEL is & howed discovered and covered up. its up to you to find what the controversy is on how mean TEL is in the environment after passing through combustion. I'm glad they got the lead out but not so happy with its fuel substitutes but don't know best alternatives. I used to do old school cast iron sewer plumbing joined by pouring a pot of lead into the seams in ground horizontally or over head vertical runs and pounding it in denser tighter hoping water don't splash into the pot doing it in the rain.

A sad factor I got reading between the lines of the lead report is it implies most the trouble causers had to die off in the story period or would still be out there like Plumb Loco me - who siphoned and mixed a lot of cheap leaded gas for outboards and rinsed hands in it to degrease.

May explain why I'm so easy to out reason and why I look at E85 as cheap beverage basis. I'm toxicology trained 3x's over and in injectables and IV drips to help clear patients after diagnosing that is what's indicated. One must realize that biology is life and life is magic so just finding toxic levels or other bad things inside, don't mean its causing significant health issues in everyone, so other factors acting that established medicine ain't caught up to yet.

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I counted "I" or its contraction eleven times in this post.

So what is this really about?

Ask the ancient Romans how they felt about lead and their lead-lined aqueducts towards the very end of the empire when they couldn't concieve children any more. Cancer and mental retardation to throw in just for interest sake. As a fisherman I am concerned about weights and am waiting for brass-steel replacements at comparative cost for all involved.