Greta Thunberg and the climate

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WHAT A HYPOCRITE:

It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we ruined the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s and 80's not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yrs to 16yrs not jumping into mummy’s or daddy’s 4+4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. (fish and chips) Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week in glass bottles by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are ruining the planet.
 
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The Scenario Greta and supporters are all concerned about is RCP8.5

RCP8.5 model suggested maximum global temperature increases of nearly 6°C (10.8°F) by the year 2100

So this is the model that is cited 2500 times and the activists say is the most likely scenario.

This is the actual paper as used in the IPCC main body report

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-011-0148-z

Reading it reveals that RCP8.5 is actually an outlier and has a 3% chance of happening. Its based on no or little CO2 emission control and no technological advances.

The most likely scenario is RCP4.5, but in that one there is no climate emergency so its ignored and hardly cited.

The main body of the IPCC report has lots of non scary papers, but when it gets to the executive summary the story has changed.
 

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WHAT A HYPOCRITE:

It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we ruined the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s and 80's not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yrs to 16yrs not jumping into mummy’s or daddy’s 4+4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. (fish and chips) Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week in glass bottles by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are ruining the planet.
I'm not following your train of thought here...
Are you trying to blame a bunch of school kids for trashing the planet with plastics?

Plastics were invented in the early 20th century. When you were a youngster (whenever that was) your parents didn't have access to cheap plastic stuff, as you have illustrated...

So at some point between your parents generation and the young generation now, plastic use and production EXPLODED. Perhaps you might take a look in the recycled mirror yourself.
 
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That child has been used and may never recover enough to lead a normal productive life.
 
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The authorities banned my 30 year clean running old camper which we used to drive 70 miles to the coast and park up for a weeks camping and use cycles to get around. So now we get on a plane and spew fumes over London instead,spend our cash abroad and drive everywhere in an old non maintained diesel hire car. We can now buy hybrids that are worse for CO2 than the cars they replaced. Its not a simple problem and politicians do not have the answers,or the brains.
 
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I am 78. Kids are right to complain about what we have done to our planet. I spent my whole life as an industrial chemist, but I kept my head down and my arse up - when I could have been more politically active. Blind Freddie could have seen where modern technology and the population explosion were going.
 
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the only solution is for everyone to have carbon or whatever coupons to spend as they wish: otherwise there will never be an equitable distribution of energy use. I use 5cwt of coal a year. I do not fly, run a car, have gas central heating etc.. why should I forgo my coal fire so aircraft can stack up over Heathrow or cars clog up the cities and roads.

Its not the brains our politicos and planners lack ... its the simple courage to go over to carbon rationing
 
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I worked my skinny butt off for 50 years, and I've NEVER been a polluter/abuser. (you can't pollute if you never throw anything away!)

I'm not in charge of ANYTHING any more, and I'm not responsible for what my or any other generation did.

I darn sure will not sit still for a teenager to tell ME how to live.
 
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I'm not changing nor giving an inch until the powers that be begin to live in the manner they attempt to push off on we serfs. I'll hear nothing of interest from some little brainwashed twit preaching control doctrine when she should be concerned with having a normal childhood.... If I want to listen to noise from tools I'll go out and upend a box of them onto the floor of the shed.
 
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that will never happen as long as she keeps telling everyone how screwed up things are along with telling them how she thinks they should live there lives. no self respecting man would put up with her bossy behind.

she need boyfriend
 
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She is just a angry little girl who needs a good kick up the arse and where did she get that from, it all starts at home, she is just a school girl who has never experienced real life, she has never worked or started to live, we all try to do our bit, well I do anyway, countries that cause a lot of pollution aren't going to change their ways, not in my time anyway.
We live in a throw away world which has its long term problems, things these days aren't made to last, the population keeps growing, cut down the trees to grow more food to feed the growth, where does it all end, when every country in the world works together, well that's never going to happen.
World leaders aren't going to change their ways or admit there is a problem, until they change their ways nothing will change.

Ashley
 

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I really don't think it's her fault.
There are loads of teenagers with misguided outrage.
I think the fault really lay with the inflammatory media for giving her the platform to really "go public".
She and her views are ideal click-bait which turns into money (for the media).
No conflict of interest there - simply a case of manufacturing your own news.
 
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Why bother. About a teenager who says that world leaders should act on scientific findings.
Looking out through the window. Instead of the usual foot (30cm) or more of snow, I see a green/yellow lawn.
 
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She is just a angry little girl who needs a good kick up the arse and where did she get that from, it all starts at home, she is just a school girl who has never experienced real life, she has never worked or started to live, we all try to do our bit, well I do anyway, countries that cause a lot of pollution aren't going to change their ways, not in my time anyway.
We live in a throw away world which has its long term problems, things these days aren't made to last, the population keeps growing, cut down the trees to grow more food to feed the growth, where does it all end, when every country in the world works together, well that's never going to happen.
World leaders aren't going to change their ways or admit there is a problem, until they change their ways nothing will change.

Ashley
I think you can argue about the detail in Greta's message, but not with the message itself. Yes, it's possible to find some scientists who disagree with global warming, but the vast majority agree that it is real and that it is a great threat.
People do not like what she says because she is asking some very uncomfortable questions. Shooting the messenger does not really help the problem.
 

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Yeah - and just because one rocket-junkie failed to prove the earth was flat doesn't mean we should give up.
Who's next... ?
 

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WHAT A HYPOCRITE:

It’s hilarious, all these school kids preaching to us oldies that we ruined the planet! Back in the 60’s and 70’s and 80's not a plastic bottle to be seen it was all glass that were reused, pop bottles taken back to the shop. No plastic bags, loose food was brown paper bags, all sweets were bought in 1/4lb put in a paper bag. Mothers used shopping trolleys to carry heavy stuff or used a linen bag. You walked to school from 5yrs to 16yrs not jumping into mummy’s or daddy’s 4+4. No McDonald’s or Burger King plastic toys, no polystyrene food boxes for you to litter the streets with, we used newspapers to wrap our hot food in. (fish and chips) Our milk was delivered at 5 am 6 days a week in glass bottles by a milkman who drove an electric vehicle! Holidays were in a caravan in Britain not an aeroplane to far off destinations. So I think these youngsters need to take a look in a recycled mirror and think was it my wasteful generation who are ruining the planet.
Don't forget the lack of central heating
Getting dressed for school in bed because it was so cold in the bedroom
And the lucrative business of collecting the empty lemonade bottles to take back and get the deposit back
God I'm old!!!!
 
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