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Fuel pump fuel connector

Discussion in 'Norton Motorcycles (Modern)' started by BLIGHTYBRIT/SF, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

    BLIGHTYBRIT/SF VIP MEMBER

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    In my excitement to get my 961 fired up again after its its respite /lacuna/hiatus ,I removed the fuel tank in order to gain access to the battery to recharge it,Im aware there's a fly lead at the rear,but I had to fix one direct onto the battery on my arrival in Canada & charge it with a Canadian charger,as this was another diff plug connector I needed to fit the opitmate one to replace it so as I'm back home with the opitmate 4 , hooked up batt with lead & charged away, & then oops , tank dropped to floor & the little red plastic nozzle broke off,so needed this like a hole in the head.
    Called Norton central & discovered this little red plastic piece is unavailable on its own,had anyone else suffered this self inflicted school boy error or am I alone , the Italian firm "Birton" make the fuel pump,on viewing eBay it appears this red nozzle is also used on moto guzzi ,fuel pump complete is north of £300,I realise it's a sensitive component that needs its integrity to be unmolested ,so looks like I'm going to have to bite the bullet & buy a new one unless anyone know s any different ?
     
  2. Fast Eddie

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    How is the red plastic bit fastened to the main pump? Can something be fabricated or turned up out of alloy / brass / etc?
     
  3. GKRyder

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    Hi,

    So yes found out same part in Guzzi V11 and V7 series.

    Complete part sold as you have found out.

    Nota lone in breaking it
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    With reports that some guys have used Motor works in UK to make metal parts

    http://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Home/index.php

    Hope all of this helps.
     
  4. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    Thank you for two swift replies,as u can c by previous picture,the elbow shaped nozzle is a push fit into the base of pump,if I snapped off what's left I'm guessing /assuming the core of it would drop out,will try and get this red item as that's how it's ment to be &designed with that material etc & passed BS/EU or ? The push fit part must cost pennies,I don't want to interfere or drill out & adapt at this stage , I'm hoping someone says, " oh yeah they fit fiat cars here's the part number," will see what next few days bring .thanking u all in anticipation
     
  5. Britfan60

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    Is that part threaded? I could swear I've seen brass bits in other applications that look like that fitting.
     
  6. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    Not threaded,it's a one time push fit,it does move & swivel ,but is held in by some retaining lugs that snap into a groove, when the pump is removed from tank there is a grub screw that looks like it could be holding it in , alas in ain't,ive emailed Birton with a request .waited 4 months for bike, few more days or a week won't matter,more time to clean the machine,
     
  7. TonyA

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    Hello Richard , I would replace the entire unit . Then you can see if a repair is possible on the old one. That fitting must be leak free ! There is a seal in there for sure , I know its painful . Just buy a new one for now and experiment with the old. Tony
     
  8. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    Yes I know ur solution is the correct one Tony,but bit of frustration for a simple plastic thing,needed that like the "Houses of Parliament " need another "Guy Fawkes " & if I had a vapour cloud overcasting the exhaust then that's just what I would of had FIREWORKS & goodnight Vienna.
     
  9. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    hey ho , the plot thickens , I got hold of a new plastic elbow today,came from a moto guzzi spares specialist " guzzi bits" £26 & its identical apart from being white ,I now realise this tiny annoying illusive part is actually made by JG , johnguest speedfit fittings ,john guest make all sorts in plumbing industry / pipes/ underfloor heating / automotive I found pic on their website of a red/white & black ,so sure we can track it down to its own part number now we know it's made by " John Guest ", am fitting it back on bike Thursday
     

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  10. TonyA

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    Hello Richard , Does the old part need to be drifted or punched out ? I see the locking star on it I think . I am reading that drilling may be best to get the broken out ?
     
  11. contours

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    That's awesome, Richard. Good dig!
     
  12. richard-7

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    Thanks for sharing.
     
  13. Britfan60

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  14. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    http://www.gutsibits.co.uk/pr/TheShop/i ... q=fua30000. Here is the link where I bought the new one,red one came out easy for me ,just snapped off with large pump pliers,& hooked out remains with a pick,the body of the red one snapped clean off on the groove for the star weather ,tapped the new white one in with a light tap from a rubber hammer ,lube o rings with petrol. All good & works fine
     
  15. TonyA

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    Thanks Richard. I will pick up one of those just in case .
     
  16. ksnydersj

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    I believe my fuel pump is shot (this, after replacing my starter motor). Does anyone know which Bitron fuel pump is used on the 961? Part number? Same one as used on another make/model of bike that would be easily obtained?
     
  17. TonyA

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    Moto Guzzi I think.
     
  18. Raphi

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    See this post ksnydersj...
     
  19. richard-7

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    You sure it was the starter and not the solenoid??
     
  20. MxMartin

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    BLIGHTYBRIT/SF and MAK like this.

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