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I'm all for that.
I also don't like buying from shops which do not mark prices on items but slowly look everything up once it is brought to the counter. You always feel inadequate when what you thought was an eight dollar item Max turns out to be $92.
You have two choices-
1. Put the item back and look like a real cheapie for not having $92 to spend on an item you need.
2. Pay the overly inflated price then feel really stupid later when you see the same item for sale on eBay for eight bucks!
Glen
I also don't like buying from shops which do not mark prices on items but slowly look everything up once it is brought to the counter. You always feel inadequate when what you thought was an eight dollar item Max turns out to be $92.
You have two choices-
1. Put the item back and look like a real cheapie for not having $92 to spend on an item you need.
2. Pay the overly inflated price then feel really stupid later when you see the same item for sale on eBay for eight bucks!
Glen
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rvich said:
I guess it's just a preference. A lot of other sites (Not necessarily motorcycle ones) have this rule. Honestly, if people have the minimal technical knowledge to post an item for sale here, they've already looked on ebay to see how much their item usually sells for.
When I've sold items here, I have tried to give you guys a better price than what I'd list it for on Ebay... if there are no buyers, then off to the big on-line garage sale.
rvich said:
There is nothing wrong with that. It seems that it has alway been a rather "buyer beware" sort of thing. PM the seller and make your deal, or not.
Other than time stamp an ad, the admin moderates little if at all in this area. Unless someone is obviously out of bound, we, the members, are left to regulate.
Make no mistake, there a some who will exploit, some who will literally give stuff away and everything in between.
It is a little heart braking to see members exploiting members, but it happens.
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Which reminds me,I payed $212 for this Indian Interstate fuel tank but notice they have had a price increase,I would be prepared to let it go for $424.
You're welcome.
If you can not post a price you are either hiding something or a scalper afraid to post some outrageous price in public.
Sales used to be easy,clear pictures,a true description with a asking price,noted negotiable if that was an option.
You're welcome.
If you can not post a price you are either hiding something or a scalper afraid to post some outrageous price in public.
Sales used to be easy,clear pictures,a true description with a asking price,noted negotiable if that was an option.
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Time Warp said:Which reminds me,I payed $212 for this Indian Interstate fuel tank but notice they have had a price increase,I would be prepared to let it go for $424.
You're welcome.
If you can not post a price you are either hiding something or a scalper afraid to post some outrageous price in public.
Sales used to be easy,clear pictures,a true description with a asking price,noted negotiable if that was an option.
---I agree... if you have no pics, you shouldn't post either.
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So you're saying I can't list a pair of Dunstall mufflers, for example, with pictures etc. stating I'm open to offers without being labeled a scalper. Tough crowd. And would they be priced outrageously? That all depends. There are always things that won't be given away.
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850cmndo said:
Its not tough at all.
There are plenty of folk trying to palm off junk at inflated prices,here,eBay,Craigslist,local sites here etc etc.
If someone were clueless to what they want to ask price wise for a Commando based part they could ask in a forum like this one given the higher traffic over the for sale forum.
That has little to do with some one paragraph for sale waffle with no picture or price.
There is also common sense,clear description and clear pictures remove doubt which can mean an easy sale at a good price.
If a person has a clue in that regard they might even take the time to pack it well and get it safely in the post without post gouging. (like eBay)
Its a moot point personally,no pictures or no price is a simple hit the back button.
A mandatory price isn't a bad idea. I know other forums that use this rule. You could price the item on the high side and also invite best offers.
It's like the housing bubble that burst in 2008. While the finance companies and mortgage brokers foot the blame and rightly so, there was another part to the equation that gets over looked. It's too many middle men who inflate the prices beyond reason. There are tons of small contractors who buy up cheap houses, install new appliances, paint and lightly landscape and then realist for + $40,000 a few months later or they rent the place out which pays the mortgage and they are set to do another one. What happens in the market is there are very few bargains out there for new home owners, everything is priced at a premium. In Vancouver around 2008 a large new hi-rise tower had a sale posted at a certain day for all the units. There was a line up that went clear around the block. Buyers paid space savers just to stand in line for them. All the units were sold in one day and guys from the front of the line were flipping their new condos to people at the back of the line who had missed out for BIG (can't remember exactly) profits.
The same goes on in the classified here. You list something for what you need to get out of it but scalpers scoop it up just to flip on ebay for more money. They also buy shit (literally) on ebay and sell it in the classified here. These guys are slick used car salesman types who know how to swindle unsuspecting trusting buyers. They will basically dominate the classified section endlessly with stuff for sale but at inflated prices they would never dream of paying themselves. When they don't think they are doing anything wrong there is a medical term for them but I don't remember what it is off hand. I'm sure there are people on this forum who have purchased pure junk here and now a year or two later still have it to look at because it was beyond doing a reasonable repair for it's intended use.
An environment where sellers sold directly to the end user would be ideal but unfortunately the scalpers constantly check the classified for these bargains and scoop them up before anyone else sees them. Sellers have to have buyers PM them instead of selling to the 1st poster, that way they will likely recognize a forum member as an end user and differentiate them from the re-sellers.
It's like the housing bubble that burst in 2008. While the finance companies and mortgage brokers foot the blame and rightly so, there was another part to the equation that gets over looked. It's too many middle men who inflate the prices beyond reason. There are tons of small contractors who buy up cheap houses, install new appliances, paint and lightly landscape and then realist for + $40,000 a few months later or they rent the place out which pays the mortgage and they are set to do another one. What happens in the market is there are very few bargains out there for new home owners, everything is priced at a premium. In Vancouver around 2008 a large new hi-rise tower had a sale posted at a certain day for all the units. There was a line up that went clear around the block. Buyers paid space savers just to stand in line for them. All the units were sold in one day and guys from the front of the line were flipping their new condos to people at the back of the line who had missed out for BIG (can't remember exactly) profits.
The same goes on in the classified here. You list something for what you need to get out of it but scalpers scoop it up just to flip on ebay for more money. They also buy shit (literally) on ebay and sell it in the classified here. These guys are slick used car salesman types who know how to swindle unsuspecting trusting buyers. They will basically dominate the classified section endlessly with stuff for sale but at inflated prices they would never dream of paying themselves. When they don't think they are doing anything wrong there is a medical term for them but I don't remember what it is off hand. I'm sure there are people on this forum who have purchased pure junk here and now a year or two later still have it to look at because it was beyond doing a reasonable repair for it's intended use.
An environment where sellers sold directly to the end user would be ideal but unfortunately the scalpers constantly check the classified for these bargains and scoop them up before anyone else sees them. Sellers have to have buyers PM them instead of selling to the 1st poster, that way they will likely recognize a forum member as an end user and differentiate them from the re-sellers.
Agree with Rennie on all of the above except the housing bubble in Vancouver didn't seem to break in 2008. Well, it might have for a month or two, but then the really crazy escalation took hold, not with condos but with single family homes.
In 2011 a friend sold an old house on a lot in Dunbar for 2.1million.
He had been trying to sell it a couple of years earlier for 1.6, but there was no interest. In 2011 the buyers from Mainland China were in a feeding frenzy. A Chinese buyer bought my friend's house at the 2.1, then rented it back to him for three months and resold it sight unseen to another Chinese buyer for 2.45 million!
That insanity still continues today, though it has calmed a bit.
With motorcycle parts, I have sold a few bits on forums. I always sell for my cost or a little less as it is purely a hobby and I think of fellow forum members as friends (mostly). There is no rule that says you cannot profit on parts though, that is capitalism.
Of course there are people and vendors who have made a business of supplying parts or services to Norton owners and we need them to do well or the parts supply/service will disappear.
There is a big difference between someone profiting from developing an improved part /accessory then holding stock for convenience of users
and someone who triples the price of eBay junk. But both are permitted in out society.
Glen
In 2011 a friend sold an old house on a lot in Dunbar for 2.1million.
He had been trying to sell it a couple of years earlier for 1.6, but there was no interest. In 2011 the buyers from Mainland China were in a feeding frenzy. A Chinese buyer bought my friend's house at the 2.1, then rented it back to him for three months and resold it sight unseen to another Chinese buyer for 2.45 million!
That insanity still continues today, though it has calmed a bit.
With motorcycle parts, I have sold a few bits on forums. I always sell for my cost or a little less as it is purely a hobby and I think of fellow forum members as friends (mostly). There is no rule that says you cannot profit on parts though, that is capitalism.
Of course there are people and vendors who have made a business of supplying parts or services to Norton owners and we need them to do well or the parts supply/service will disappear.
There is a big difference between someone profiting from developing an improved part /accessory then holding stock for convenience of users
and someone who triples the price of eBay junk. But both are permitted in out society.
Glen
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Mandetory pricing... mandetory picture posting... whats next...?
We're motorcyclists guys, lovers of freedom, live and let live, etc.
What's with the rules culture all of a sudden ???!!!
If you don't like an add, don't respond.
If you do, do!
Simple.
We're motorcyclists guys, lovers of freedom, live and let live, etc.
What's with the rules culture all of a sudden ???!!!
If you don't like an add, don't respond.
If you do, do!
Simple.
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i couldnt agree more if you dont like the price dont buy it!! if you dont want to ask the price then dont ask !! i would have thought most people on this forum know the value of certain parts that they require so who is getting ripped off?? or just ban all the adverts from this site and we can all use "the bay of evil" regards bazFast Eddie said:
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Has nothing to do with freedom.
I agree that pictures shouldn't be mandatory. If the seller wants to answer a lot of questions and reduce his pool of buyers it's dumb but it's up to him.
If there is no price listed then it is an instant turn-off to me. It's usually a waste of my time to respond and ask the price. Half the time the seller will want an offer and then get really pissy when it is too low. The other half the time they will have a crazy high price that they are too embarrassed to post. One of the buy low - sell high sellers on here even stated he purposely asks high prices because some sucker somewhere will pay it. I don't want to be that sucker. It is a much better situation when both parties know about what ballpark the price will be in when negotiations start. I think having the price listed facilitates the sale.
I belong to a lot of old ham radio gear (aka boatanchor) boards and just about all of them require listing a selling price. Gets rid of a lot of game playing. It is much worse in that hobby though - hams are even cheaper than we are.
I agree that pictures shouldn't be mandatory. If the seller wants to answer a lot of questions and reduce his pool of buyers it's dumb but it's up to him.
If there is no price listed then it is an instant turn-off to me. It's usually a waste of my time to respond and ask the price. Half the time the seller will want an offer and then get really pissy when it is too low. The other half the time they will have a crazy high price that they are too embarrassed to post. One of the buy low - sell high sellers on here even stated he purposely asks high prices because some sucker somewhere will pay it. I don't want to be that sucker. It is a much better situation when both parties know about what ballpark the price will be in when negotiations start. I think having the price listed facilitates the sale.
I belong to a lot of old ham radio gear (aka boatanchor) boards and just about all of them require listing a selling price. Gets rid of a lot of game playing. It is much worse in that hobby though - hams are even cheaper than we are.
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