Fire extingishers to carry while ridding? Anyone???

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I really want to start carrying a small fire extingisher on the bike, in my tank bag or mount one someplace easy to reach. Years ago I saw some about the size of a can of shaving cream but can't find them now. Does anyone know wheat I can buy a few? Thanks ahead. Glenn.
 
I've got one for Ms Peel but ain't put one on Trixie yet but always have a CO2 type on hand working on them. There are 3 types, most common in small size are powders that make a huge mess, but less than a fire. then the gas CO2, argon etc types which need to be fair size to get coverage, spray pain can size, last are the most rare, liquid type like the CO2 foam kind that also make a mess. Liquid types are the oldest. Ebay search for various examples and ideas. I'm going with a pressurized brass liquid squirter figuring can hit all areas on a motorcycle. Remember to always start putting a cycle or car fire out from bottom up on the lower flames re-light what ya just put out above. Remember to try to move cycle out of a gas or oil spill before aiming extinguisher. Not sure where to mount this yet, likely slung under luggage rack. I mostly used mine to save someone else machine. Also thing to put bike on side to let flame miss most of the tank and wires.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqI-XYu5dKw[/video]
 
Thats a bit sad !!

Our rules say you should have an extingusher in the pits with every bike. But I know many do not follow the rules. And I admitt while there is an extingusher in my car I do not carry one on my road bike.

I had one amazing experience sitting in some stables they use as pits at the Manfeild track in NZ. Some post classic sidecar guys were next to us and their girl friends were sitting ON the petrol drums smoking. And then one stubbed out her cigerette on the top of the drum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK sometimes telling a smoker to go some place else can be a bit dangerous especially when her boyfriend is a 6 ft 6" tatooed sidecar crazy but even I got a bit excited at that point and politly asked her to *************
 
johnm said:
Thats a bit sad !!

Our rules say you should have an extingusher in the pits with every bike. But I know many do not follow the rules. And I admitt while there is an extingusher in my car I do not carry one on my road bike.

I had one amazing experience sitting in some stables they use as pits at the Manfeild track in NZ. Some post classic sidecar guys were next to us and their girl friends were sitting ON the petrol drums smoking. And then one stubbed out her cigerette on the top of the drum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK sometimes telling a smoker to go some place else can be a bit dangerous especially when her boyfriend is a 6 ft 6" tatooed sidecar crazy but even I got a bit excited at that point and politly asked her to *************

I was at a vintage race a long time ago. This old mechanic is wrenching on a Grey Flash (as in Vincent Grey Flash) and there's a puddle of gas on the ground below it and he's smoking a cigarette. Of course there's a small crowd around and someone says something about the cigarette. He took it out of his mouth and extinguished it in the puddle and said something about if you don't have the right A/F ratio it's not going to do anything. :mrgreen:
 
I flat guarantee there is no way to ignite gasoline by a mere glowing bright blown on cigarette or wood coals, may vapor and fog to hi heavens but w/o a white hot filament or a real spark, no fire. I have tried and tried to start a fire with just gas on glowing embers w/o success, tossed a match near WHAMPFFUFF ignition and lift off. Have not be able to start a fire with gas on hot exhaust either, whew.

My P!! had points under the carb, topped off at station and gave a tickle then a kick for instant fire on cement next to pumps nothing by my lungs to put it out with - took 3 times of almost passing out blowing to get the right order of blowing out to work in time. First two times I started at top or middle but flame under tranny re-lit it all again.

Putting bike on side risks spilling more fuel so must decide quick on that move.

Here's one similar to Peel's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Pyrene- ... 256f406732

Another option is the C02 cartridge tire inflators, they spray out a good bit of C02 for a few seconds which might be enough on beginning of a fire. Best wishes none of us has a need of this extra item to carry.
 
"He took it out of his mouth and extinguished it in the puddle and said something about if you don't have the right A/F ratio it's not going to do anything.

I flat guarantee there is no way to ignite gasoline by a mere glowing bright blown on cigarette or wood coals, may vapor and fog to hi heavens but w/o a white hot filament or a real spark, no fire."

Maybe I should have painted the picture with more detail.

Recall I said they were stables. And in stables you have straw. And here we have some people who are oblivious to their suroundings lighting, smoking, discarding and stubbing out cigarettes while all around them are people draining carbs, dropping oily rags and creating all sorts of other combustable materials. And in the middle of this are about 60 litres of petrol and methanol - and me and my bike. Many fires are caused by cigarettes dropped into combustable material.

And yes we can talk about A/F ratios and flat guarantees none of which are going to help me much when I and my bike get burnt up.
 
johnm said:
Maybe I should have painted the picture with more detail.

Recall I said they were stables. And in stables you have straw. And here we have some people who are oblivious to their suroundings lighting, smoking, discarding and stubbing out cigarettes while all around them are people draining carbs, dropping oily rags and creating all sorts of other combustable materials. And in the middle of this are about 60 litres of petrol and methanol - and me and my bike. Many fires are caused by cigarettes dropped into combustable material.

And yes we can talk about A/F ratios and flat guarantees none of which are going to help me much when I and my bike get burnt up.

I would have moved my bike. And me.
 
That was plan B

But actually since there were about 100 other bikes and riders in the same pits I had the weight of numbers on my sides :).
 
Well just realize it ain't the smoldering or putting out of tabacco or pot that ignites motor fuel, but the very same flame/spark, yellow-white hot surfaces to light them to begin with. Having dry tender about could get a flame going by a dropped smoke so yest its wise to stifle people smoking around dry tender. To be chemistry accurate safe the signs should say NO Lighting UP in this Area. I can not light off propane by a mere brightly glowing smoke either. Cavaliers as I seem how many of yo'all arleady have and carry an extingisher with them, in cars and bikes. I've gotten a rise out of gas spill on header but so far just flashed off in fog not flame.
 
hobot said:
I've got one for Ms Peel but ain't put one on Trixie yet but always have a CO2 type on hand working on them. There are 3 types, most common in small size are powders that make a huge mess, but less than a fire. then the gas CO2, argon etc types which need to be fair size to get coverage, spray pain can size, last are the most rare, liquid type like the CO2 foam kind that also make a mess. Liquid types are the oldest. Ebay search for various examples and ideas. I'm going with a pressurized brass liquid squirter figuring can hit all areas on a motorcycle. Remember to always start putting a cycle or car fire out from bottom up on the lower flames re-light what ya just put out above. Remember to try to move cycle out of a gas or oil spill before aiming extinguisher. Not sure where to mount this yet, likely slung under luggage rack. I mostly used mine to save someone else machine. Also thing to put bike on side to let flame miss most of the tank and wires.
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What us bikers really need is a 2 in one tool, a combined fire extinguisher and with an adapterto use as a tyre inflator that contains CO2 :?:
 
I have a C02 tire inflator that uses the pellet gun cartrigages and it indeed will blast out a couple seconds of lots of C02 with some dry ice white vapors/dust, enough maybe to blast initial flame source out in time, but then would have to unscrew the cartridge and re-screw anther to reload if initial brust wasn't enough. Its like concealed gun carry - may never ever need it but when ya do it better be loaded and at hand. So its a similar trade off of size-mass and effectiveness vs risks to need.

http://www.google.com/search?client=fir ... UIv_-RMqCw
 
I watched a furnace mechanic put out his cigarettes in a coffee can of heating oil before so I get that it can be done, but like Swoosh says, the the fuel/air mixture is what matters. Using the coffee can as an example; at some height above the fuel, the mixture has got to be right for ignition and just needs an ignition source. I also understand that diesel vapor isn't the same as gasoline vapor and you probably stand a better chance of ignition with gasoline, but I'm not going to find out by trial and error.
I just can't help but think, who tried it first?
Sorry that was a bit off track from the OP.
My Dad got me a small fire extinguisher for Christmas last year. It's a bit bigger than a can of whipped cream.

Ben
 
I will bet you a Commando you can not start a fire in oil or gasoline so hot white fog is vaporizing off to perfect a/f mixtures by a lit cig or cigar or anything that ain't almost while hot or a spark. All the movies you see other wise is just plain fiction.
 
deleted repeat but I've tried to point I don't give a second thought to smoking around gasoline, just propane. I don't hardly ever use a cig. lighter to check gasoline tank levels that I can remember. Hell's bells our combustion chambers mis fire constantly to some degree even with best of ignitions. As to how fearless I am, how many of you already have extingishers in car truck and ole bikes? Don't smoke it'll stunt your brain growth and parts buying.
 
I once watched in alarm while a coworker put out a wood fire with acetone! It worked but I have a hard time recommending it.

But we digress. I caught my bike on fire two days ago and so this topic is of interest to me. I have some ideas but I might as well tell the story first. I got called out to work late Thursday as I am the responder when mission critic equipment fails. I was sound asleep at the time, got dressed quickly and decided to take the bike as it is close at hand whereas my truck is a half mile walk. As near as I can tell I nodded off while pressing down on my right side tickler and being less than ethusiastic about being awake gave the bike a really pathetic kick to start it. The result was that I caught the right side carb on fire, noticable only because I have a tear in my carb boot where it attaches to the air cleaner. I blew it out with my breath. Then proceeded to work. I have to ask myself how lucky I was.

Had the flame been taller than an inch or if there was enough gasoline involved to spread it to other parts of the bike or the floor I would have had a problem. I am not sure there is anything small enough to carry easily that will be large enough to effectively fight a gasoline fire that is spreading.

You could once buy Halon extinguishers that were about 6 inches tall and less than two inches in diameter. They were popular to keep in boat gallies for putting out fires when you caught your bacon on fire. The good news was you could still eat the bacon, but of course Halon was outlawed and I have not seen the replacement, Halatron, in the similar packages.

It is also difficult to smother a fire in an area like our bike carbs, which is what these types of fire extinuishers are really intended to do. CO2 also is intended to smoother, but there might be a chance that CO2 could cool the fire enough to stop combustion. When pressure is rapidly released it drops the temp right? So why not carry a CO2 tire inflator that could also be discharged on to a small fire. It couldn't hurt to try it if a large fire extinguisher was unavailable (which everybody has in the garage or shop right?).

I am thinking about buying something like this to try out on small fires and if it doesn't work I can use it to inflate tires:

http://www.genuineinnovations.com/bicyc ... chuck.html

These 45 gram cartridges are much larger than normal. So you "might" be able to snuff a flame with it.

Russ
 
I guess one has to ask themselves how large a unit they are willing to carry while riding. When you are driving around in your Cobra it looks right to have a fire extinguisher mounted within reach of the driver. On a Commando, mounting one to the tank is probably not gonna work out.
 
Thanks rvich those "Max pro" look sim to what I saw years ago & They look like they would give me peace of mind. brly could you show a picture of the ones you were talking of or a line on them. P.S. I spent most of my teens and 20's as a industial painter working with all kinds of solvents. Ya it's not so easy to light up some things but that's not the point. The point is putting it out if it happens. Personaly it's the things you don't see coming that get you. I allmost took out a 30,000 sq foot wharehouse when we accedentaly lit 55 gallons of dry powdered soap that spilled. Never thought it would burn but we allmost lost two shop trucks & could have lost the building if not for the ONE extingisher on hand.
 
Whilst on the subject of trying to ignite gasoline with a naked flame, there is a TV program in the UK called Mythbusters where on one program they tried to blow up a toilet pan with various combustible liquids e.t.c. (don’t ask, as I really don’t give a fart!)
They filled the toilet pan with gasoline and dropped a lighted cigarette into it; needless to say it did not ignite. It appears that the vapour is the one that will first ignite nearly every time.
I am no fire expert but it appears that Dry powder extinguishers are the most versatile, and can be used on fires in Class A, B or C – involving flammable liquids, electrical fires, or burning materials like wood or paper.
However, if the fire could involve computers, choose residue-free CO2 extinguishers.
This is the problem; you really need a least a 2 kilo fire extinguisher to have any effect on a gasoline fire once it has got hold, and, depending on how long the fire has been burning and what it is burning as a fuel, it will be sod’s law if you put the complete fire out before you empty the extinguisher.
But if you are quick, any fire extinguisher may be better than nothing.
 
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