Ethanol VS Non Fuel

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Recently had to use 10% Ethanol fuel as tank was on vapours. Noticed almost immediately an increase in idle speed of about 200-300 rpm from my normal just a tick under 1000 rpm. What is the explanation for this change? Is ethanol fuel lowering the viscosity making the fuel vapourize more efficiently in jets or something else? Re-filled now with non ethanol fuel and idle is back down to as before.
 
Non-ethanol fuel in the Seattle area is low octane. E10 premium is higher octane around here. May or may not be relevant in your area, but higher octane works better in my motor.
 
Calorific value of Ethanol is lower than Petrol, increasing the Ethanol content makes the mixture weaker. So if your tickover is tuned rich on normal petrol then increasing the E content weakens the mixture and so the tune is closer to ideal and the revs rise.

So when you go back to full fat petrol tune the pilot mixture once the bike is at full temp and weaking the mixture should raise the revs.

I have had to increase the main jet size on my Digger and Lawn Tractor petrol engines to stop them hunting at full revs with the e10 being introduced to the uk, the digger was stalling if I took a full scoop of dirt until I increased the main jet.
 
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Not sure about availability of ethanol free Super Chevron in Seattle. I don't go out of my way looking for ethanol free fuel close to home. Only thing I do now is attempt to fill up at clean gas stations. Filthy gas stations I avoid like the plague. Ethanol fuel is OK with me. Burns a bit hot is all I notice. I do put additives in the tank and carry some with me on longer rides. I don't think about the science. Probably why my resting heart rate is so low. lol
 
I tested the Shell fuels here in Vancouver.
They all had some ethanol, 5 % to as high as 10%.
In fairness, they aren't advertised as ethanol free here.
The Chevron Supreme 94 is labelled as ethanol free and tested as such.
The only other ethanol free fuel I have found here is Coop 91. It is also advertised as ethanol free, however it is only available at blender pumps. This means you will get a hosefull of whatever the last customer purchased. Most likely that is regular gas with ethanol.
If using the Coop fuel I bring two Jerry cans and put the first 2 litres in one can then fill the other can with the good stuff.
If out riding and needing fuel I head for Chevron. The 94 ethanol free has its own pump.
The Coop 91 made slightly more power on Dyno hill, every time.

Glen
 
Non-ethanol fuel in the Seattle area is low octane. E10 premium is higher octane around here. May or may not be relevant in your area, but higher octane works better in my motor.
Well I typically run 94 octane no ethanol, but had to fill with 91 10% Ethanol and that is what gave the higher idle rpm. So lower octane raises the rpm? Does not sound right as octane purpose is to reduce pre-ignition, leading to pinging aka pinking, from higher compression engines running lots of ign advance.
 
Calorific value of Ethanol is lower than Petrol, increasing the Ethanol content makes the mixture weaker. So if your tickover is tuned rich on normal petrol then increasing the E content weakens the mixture and so the tune is closer to ideal and the revs rise.

So when you go back to full fat petrol tune the pilot mixture once the bike is at full temp and weaking the mixture should raise the revs.

I have had to increase the main jet size on my Digger and Lawn Tractor petrol engines to stop them hunting at full revs with the e10 being introduced to the uk, the digger was stalling if I took a full scoop of dirt until I increased the main jet.
Thanks, I suspected this might be reason for my observations. E10 giving a leaner burn, which means increased idle rpm, as when playing with idle air screws on the Amals you do get idle up when turning leaner.
 
Recently had to use 10% Ethanol fuel as tank was on vapours. Noticed almost immediately an increase in idle speed of about 200-300 rpm from my normal just a tick under 1000 rpm. What is the explanation for this change? Is ethanol fuel lowering the viscosity making the fuel vapourize more efficiently in jets or something else? Re-filled now with non ethanol fuel and idle is back down to as before.
Less heat energy per volume.

In effect, LEANS (weakens) the mixture.
 
I'm now running ethanol free for peace of mind as to alcohol damage to soft parts (I know it's certainly damaged some of mine....) I make my own by mixing gas and water in a five gallon clear container (old water cooler jug), letting the water bond to the alcohol and settle, then siphoning the now alcohol-free gas off the top. The remainder I let evaporate.

I don't know if it does any good - I know it lowers octane, but I start with 89 (US spec) and figure I'm okay. No pinging or other signs otherwise.

FWIW/YMMV!
 
Glen,
I haven’t seen Chevron Supreme for many many years! I am glad you can still get it.
Mike
Chevron Supreme used to be the only non ethanol fuel that was readily available in my neck of the woods (souther interior of British Columbia).

Very recently, signs have popped up on the pumps indicating that supreme may now contain up to 10% ethanol.
 
Oh no! I haven't seen that but then I haven't purchased any new motorcycle or small engine fuel for a couple of months now.

If you have a Coop gas station anywhere close by, then that is still a source of ethanol free fuel for you.

Glen
 
Oh no! I haven't seen that but then I haven't purchased any new motorcycle or small engine fuel for a couple of months now.

If you have a Coop gas station anywhere close by, then that is still a source of ethanol free fuel for you.

Glen
Thanks for the heads up Glen. I will have to search out a COOP station
 
Its the 91 premium at the Coop that is marked ethanol free.
Unfortunately they use those multigrade blender pumps so I don't fill the bikes there.
If using the Coop ethanol free I take two Jerry cans or just put a few litres in the car first to get clear of the ethanol type fuel that will be in the hose.
After that I'll fill the Jerry can with the good stuff.

Glen
 
Alcohol has a higher latent heat of vaporisation than hydrocrabons. It lowers you carburetor temperature which causes the incoming air to become denser and thus leans-off the mixture. If you get an increase in revs, it means you were previously jetted slightly too rich. If you get a miss, it means you are not jetted rich enough. If you don't change your jetting when using normal petrol, but either slightly raise the comp. ratio or increase the ignition advance, you would get the same effect as when you lean-off the jetting by using alcohol in your fuel.
You should always jet to suit the fuel you are using. It should not matter what the fuel might be. It should usually only be a matter of raising or lowering the needles, one notch.
The calorific values of all the fuels you buy from the pump, should all be very similar. The amount of ethanol is almost nerglible in that context.
When you buy petrol from a pump, it is all garbage anyway. I suggest the reason ELF fuel became commonly used for racing, is it provides consistency, so is easier to tune,
 
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Don't know if this has been posted previously. One must realize that the hose will be filled with whatever fuel was dispensed previously. Since we will be only dispensing a few gallons it is inevitable that we will get a significant amount of ethanol as a percentage unless the previous customer bought ethanol free gasoline.
 
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