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The Alton weighs 11kg that's just over 24lb so the cnw kit is less than half the weight?
Not quite…

But the cNw kit comes with a belt, quite a weight saving vs a chain. I’m unsure if it also includes things like the lighter Barnet clutch pack etc in that saving.

So the 10lbs saving is only the ‘overall’ saving over a stock bike, inc the various pluses and minuses.

If you have already made those savings, then the realistic weight gain is more like 20 lbs.
 
Not quite…

But the cNw kit comes with a belt, quite a weight saving vs a chain. I’m unsure if it also includes things like the lighter Barnet clutch pack etc in that saving.

So the 10lbs saving is only the ‘overall’ saving over a stock bike, inc the various pluses and minuses.

If you have already made those savings, then the realistic weight gain is more like 20 lbs.
I already have Barnet plates and a belt drive ,alloy clutch basket
But I'm quoting the weight of the kit
The Alton kit weighs 11kg
Not sure what the cnw kit weighs
So could be talking cross purposes
 
The Alton weighs 11kg that's just over 24lb so the cnw kit is less than half the weight?
No. As Fast Eddie said, the 10 lbs. is the net total weight gain for a stock 850. The triplex chain gets replaced with a 21 mm poly carbon belt, the steel clutch basket gets replaced by hard anodized aluminum one, and the bronze clutch plates get replaced with aluminum backed Barnett's. And the 6 lb lead acid battery gets replaced with a 3 lb. Shorai (if you're of a mind to do that). The Alton retains the OEM chain drive, so the majority of net weight would be the starter and associated drive goodies. And a big fat AGM battery.
 
And while I'm on my bully pulpit, let me point out for those who seem to have missed it, that the last of the old Commando production models (1975+) did come from the factory with an electric starter. So it doesn't seem like that much sacrilege to fit one to the earlier models. Just my humble opinion, of course, :rolleyes:

Ken
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After injuring my right knee a couple of years ago, it was nice to have the MK3 plus a couple of modern bikes with estart. The kick start bikes sat unused while the MK3 went thru the best part of 2 rear tires in 1 riding season.
I can't agree that a knee injury automatically means your time on vintage motorcycles is over.
I'm back to kickstarting an 11to1 squish head 1360.
Knee brace on!




Glen
 
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Me and my grandpa just got a 1971 750 Commando and it came with a bunch of parts. One of the interesting parts was a CNW electric starter. We’ve debated if we should install the electric starter or keep it a kick starter. The whole starter and everything is already taken apart so all we have to do is put in electric or kick start. What do you guys thing would be better? Thank you for the advice.
I'm sure if Northsdakota ever shows up again they will very much regret asking for advice. :p
 
I'm now down to very few kickstart bikes anyway...

My Bonneville race bike has relatively low compression, and always starts first kick. Anyway, that bike is the reason I own a set of roller starters and a Pit Bull stand, AHRMA doesn't allow kickstarters or kickstands on the track.

I have a '69 BSA Lightning that has higher compression, but I was able to kick it 5 months after my surgery. No worries there.

My Triton has higher compression, I am a bit concerned about that one.

The Dreer Prototype monoshock has a MkIII e-start engine and it fires up instantly; I love it. I leave the kickstarter on it anyway because people sort of expect to see one on a Commando.

The rinky-dink Honda MB5 with the MB8 engine is not a classic Britbike, but it is a somewhat rare little bike and it is super easy to start.

My '72 BMW R75/5 was a kickstarter that kicks outward, but also has an e-starter so I'm not worried about that.

The other 6 are all e-start only...
 
I can't put a electric starter on my P11 and not screw it up. I don't really give a damn what anyone else does with their Nortons. I just answered the question the way I felt like answering it. Not arguing about it.

luddite... that is funny coming from guys supposedly riding antique Nortons.
 
luddite... that is funny coming from guys supposedly riding antique Nortons.
Those guys call the steam-powered motorcycle guys Luddites. Hey, they're having just as much fun, with the chance of being blown up and/or badly scalded...

I wonder if those steamers have e-starter upgrades for the burners?
 
The Alton weighs 11kg that's just over 24lb so the cnw kit is less than half the weight?

Baz,

The cNw e-start kit weighs 24 lbs complete.

Remove the weight of the stock inner primary, front sprocket, chain and clutch basket and your net weight gain is 11 lbs over a stock, chain drive, set up

This does not take in account further weight reduction with the Barnett clutch (over a Bronze stack) and possible battery weight.

Matt
 
You didn't use to smash up weaving mills in your youth did you?;);)

No machine smashing in my history (intentionally), however, the definition of Luddite you posted has one thing I'd correct. It says they "believed" the machines where threatening their jobs. I "believe" it was a fact that the machines where threatening their jobs!
Still, and more to the point of this thread, there is a certain pleasure in using and working on simple machines. Increasing the complexity of the things I do for pastimes has only yielded more work required before the pleasure can be enjoyed. I think of it as the grief to pleasure ratio. When the grief of ownership overcomes the pleasure, it is time to eliminate that item from my life.
 
This post is degrading fast I'll just say: Nothing impresses the women like a good swift kick. And 99.9% of the Harley riders don't know what side the kicker is supposed to be on.
 
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Bronze plates weigh 1085g
A motobatt 9ah weighs 3364g
That is 4449g or 9lbs 13oz

Barnett plates weigh 349g
A 18ah Shorai weighs 1073g
That is 1422g or 3lbs 3oz

A savings of 3027g or 6lbs 10oz.

So, if the CNW kit itself adds 11 lbs, less the savings of the Barnett + Shorai, then it is only a total gain of 4lbs 6oz or 1984g.

Just skip a couple pints, a steak and ice cream and have a salad.
 
Just came to the sad realization that a CNW estart will add the full 24 lbs to the 920.
That's a lot of living on stinging nettle soup!

Glen
 
Just came to the sad realization that a CNW estart will add the full 24 lbs to the 920.
That's a lot of living on stinging nettle soup!

Glen
Not quite, you’re double counting the inner primary!

But, basically, you’re right, which is exactly what my scales showed…
 
And 99.9% of the Harley riders don't know what side the kicker is supposed to be on.
Might that be (in part at least) because their motor bicycles are fitted with reliable electronically operated starting devices …?
 
NOOOOO that a false statement! they have a good system of repair centers! I ride a Harley! 25% of my trips I had to stop in for something, side stand spring, transmission bearing, starter, voltage regulator was the newest. But I still ride one on trips!! I'm just can not help myself.
 
NOOOOO that a false statement! they have a good system of repair centers! I ride a Harley! 25% of my trips I had to stop in for something, side stand spring, transmission bearing, starter, voltage regulator was the newest. But I still ride one on trips!! I'm just can not help myself.
My life changed when I collect a brand new Road King (rental) in Chicago and rode it all the way to Santa Monica. Never visited any repair centres along the way, never put a drop of oil in it, never missed a beat, never even got a sore arse. There’s now a HD in my shed…
 
Problem with that is I think my car weighs less than a dresser. I do admire
an old Harley's low centre of mass, something I notice is lacking with my Commando
with a full Interstate tank.
 
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