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DVLA records are Flawed/incorrect,sent me a fine for no Insurance!

Discussion in 'Norton Motorcycles (Modern)' started by BLIGHTYBRIT/SF, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

    BLIGHTYBRIT/SF VIP MEMBER

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    9329A081-4610-483D-AEAA-8AB242042B31.jpeg View attachment 11295 View attachment 11294 Received this today from the postie,flaming cheek, dated last Wednesday when I rode 110 miles, traveled on M2/M20 motorway so guessing it’s a ANPR camera has clocked me , now here’s the thing ,I have of course got insurance , phoned them up & they said the dvla can ring if they like & the Government s dvla system is truly flawed ! ,right back to preparing my defence now, another letter, if I’d been away for a few months & not been aware of it ,then bailiffs would be wanting more than a ride on it.
    Anyone else had bovver?
     
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  2. MxMartin

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    Most of the kids around here ride with no tax, no insurance, no MoT, no helmets, that's the beauty of living rural. Heck I even managed a few hundred miles running my 961 in with my spare Triumph registration plate before the 961 was even registered lol
     
  3. Fast Eddie

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    It doesn’t make sense. If you were caught on camera riding without insurance you’d (rightly) be facing a bigger penalty than that.
     
  4. Eljahara

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    Seems to be a scam
    DVLA Contact Number
    1. DVLA Customer Services – 0844 453 0118.
    2. Vehicle Registration – 0844 826 8338.
    3. Car Tax Enquiries – 0844 826 8352.
    4. DVLA Licence Check – 0844 826 8333.
    5. DVSA – 0844 453 0122.
    6. DVLA Contact Telephone Numbers.
    7. DVLA Head Office Address.
    8. Other ways to contact the DVLA.
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    None of the numbers match your letter.
     
  5. L.A.B.

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  6. jan nelder

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    interesting that it says dear sir/madam, not your name.....
     
  7. Eljahara

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  8. Glenn Harman

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  9. bpjthornton

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    Never knew the penalty for no insurance was so low!
     
  10. comet

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    It isn't, you can lose your licence if caught driving uninsured as well as losing the vehicle. I don't think this was a case of driving without insurance. The £100 fine (reduced to £50 etc) is the penalty for not having continuation of insurance. So if your insurance ends and you decide not to renew it, because you aren't using the vehicle for a while (quite likely in the case of a bike) then you must declare it SORN, even if it's still taxed. The DVLA will cross-check records with the Motor Insurance Database, if they find an uninsured vehicle that isn't SORN they will issue the fine. They don't know if you are using the vehicle on the road, but that isn't the point - if it isn't SORN then it must be insured.

    So you can own a taxed vehicle that doesn't leave your property, but you must either insure it or declare it SORN. Of course, if you declare SORN the tax is then cancelled and you lose the current month - that's the scam.

    And this all depends on the Motor Insurance Database being up to date...........
     
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  11. comet

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    The Motor Insurance Database is showing you as uninsured. Can't see that the issue is with the DVLA in this case, it's up to the insurance companies to update the MID.
     
  12. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    It is indeed GENUINE,breathtaking really as after initial replies from everyone it does sound a scam, the post code for the letter if undelivered does not match DVLA,does not address me by Dear Richard,no email address, only one phone number to pay & no number to dispute ,so .
    I phoned the action fraud line who agreed me it’s appeared fraudulent,but then I gave them my DOB & email address & landline number, the guy gave me a different Dvla number to ring, I called them & they said i needed to pay up ,when I said no , the phone went dead, I checked the action fraud email sent to me , opened it & it exposed a load of orange coloured letters & numbers at that moment multiple what’s app messages started dropping in on my phone , F@@k I thought the whole thing inc my phone is hacked & scammed & my phone is compromised along with bank,eBay, PayPal etc , went down bank,phoned dvla from the high st bank on their phone and was told pay up ?, mentioned I’d reported to fraud action ! As they had agreed with me that someone was phishing for info .
    The email was just a link to to register a complaint,that multiple what’s app messages were a pal sending me 8 joke videos at once ,a very stressful hour that was this morning .
    DVLA blaming mistake on private plate not being registered on the motor insurance database , which is rich as I bought it off them when bikewas new over 3 years ago
     
  13. Eljahara

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    Richard
    check the links from L.A.B. - the genuine dispute form is the second link.
    John
     
  14. kommando

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    Comet is right, the offence is being taxed and not insured, the ANPR did not pick you out as not being insured or it would have been an automatic 6 points and a fine after a few other steps eg driver nomination and possible court hearing.
     
  15. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    382A8AC8-9135-438A-B6D8-2772155980B4.jpeg Spoke to my insurance company again & they claim it’s the fault of Motor insurance Database , so I’m done now with it & as u can see it’s taken it’s toll on me ,ridiculous & unnecessary ad my only crime is the ash tray on back of the norton with hi viz arms bands .
     
  16. Lincolnshire Poacher

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    Old age suits you!
     
  17. Fast Eddie

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    You are legally responsible to be insured.

    As far as I know, you are not legally responsible for the DVLA database.

    If you can prove you were insured, then you were not uninsured, and have broken no laws, so are not liable for payment of anything related.

    I’m only applying logic to this though, not legal process knowledge...
     
  18. kommando

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    I have followed a few similar cases, the DVLA have the capacity to ignore the obvious and to blunder on even to a court hearing. The judge however will go on the presented evidence, you may even get some costs awarded if it goes to a hearing.
     
  19. comet

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    It's worth carrying the insurance paperwork with you if you aren't showing on the Motor Insurance Database. Could save a lot of hassle at the roadside if the police did ever pull you for no insurance.

    The insurance continuation law really p#sses me off. When the insurance ran out on one of my older cars recently I decided to sell it. It was still taxed but I didn't want to insure for another year. I wanted to get a new MOT so I took out cover for a couple of hours for a few quid with one of those online companies. So it was all fully legal when I used it on the road, taxed and insured (although those short term insurances won't show up on the MID). But I was still breaking the law as the car wasn't insured on my driveway. If I declared it SORN then the tax would be cancelled and I wouldn't be legal on the road, even if I took out temporary insurance. Rant over.
     
  20. BLIGHTYBRIT/SF

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    Let common sense prevail, but trouble with common sense is.............it ain’t very common,u are of course correct saying logic etc apply , but the girl on the other end of blower is a robot for dvla, awful people to deal with , look out for me on “ Here come the Sheriffs “ , Dvla,motor insurance data base & insurance company all blaming each other ATM
     

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