Donald Trump? Stranger thing have happened in the USA..

Fast Eddie said:
I'm not quite sure what Nigel Farage thought he was adding to the debate in his recent speech. Or why on earth anyone in the US would find his views interesting.

To me, he looked, and sounded, like someone who had turned up at the wrong event by mistake!
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He was taking a holiday :!: :o
 
I think we all have two enemies - authoritarianism and negativity. Negativity destroys hope. Authoritarianism inhibits creativity. A lot of things are about mindset - A-grade motorcycle road-racers rarely look back and most don't learn to compete by following other riders. For western democracies, surely the way forward is to be progressive, constructive and co-operative ?
 
I have been watching tRump often on the web and every time he speaks, he reminds me of a below average dude at a bar who has had a few too many. He shouts out his mouth says awful things, most of what he says is not based on facts but on "his" perception of things. Saying things like he knows more about daesh (ISIS) than the generals is a statement a drunk would say, not a presidential candidate, hearing him say he favors unstable countries to have the atomic bomb is irresponsible, but hearing him asking many times over "if we (the US) have the bomb, why can't we use it" is downright irresponsible at best and extremeley dangerous for the whole planet.

His presence has brought out the worse racists out in the open, I don't understand why the good people I have met while travelling would support the hate spewed by this man.

At first, I thought he was brilliant and he wanted to destroy the republican party from the inside, but the more I read about him, the more I saw he was just a bully, a racist and an idiot. He does represent the american dream, meaning he is successful (or he appears to be) but he is NOT a great leader. If it wasn't for his dad and his grand-dad, he would be a poor idiot. While he claims to have created tens of thousands of jobs, he never mentions bilking just as many people with sour deals.

Like it or not, but when Obama speaks, he sounds presidential, his words are well chosen and he speaks wisely, tRump on the other hand is the complete opposite, lies, half truths and insults, off the cuff without any thoughts or structure, he would not make a good president and there is a good chance he would fuck up the whole world INCLUDING the US if he makes it to Washington.

Jean
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/30/nyreg ... .html?_r=0

Hillary Clinton’s closest aide, Huma Abedin, said Monday that she intended to separate from her husband
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Ms. Abedin’s separation quickly became political fodder for Donald J. Trump, Mrs. Clinton’s Republican opponent.
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Mr. Trump also said the episode was an issue of national security.
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Ms. Abedin, 40, has been at Mrs. Clinton’s side for two decades. She was her intern in the 1990s during the presidency of Bill Clinton and became a top aide while Mrs. Clinton served as a senator from New York. Ms. Abedin, now vice chairwoman of the campaign served on both of Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaigns — a mark of loyalty and trust that Mrs. Clinton prizes — and is often referred to as a surrogate daughter.
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When Tony Abbott got elected in Australia, his politics were negativity, xenophobia and scaremongering. It seems to work. The alternative does not seem to be forthcoming these days.
 
Do you think Howard Hughes would have run a negative election campaign ? Leadership style is important. Somebody who is progressive and motivated would not need to be negative.
 
84ok said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/30/nyregion/anthony-weiner-sexting-huma-abedin.html?_r=0

Hillary Clinton’s closest aide, Huma Abedin, said Monday that she intended to separate from her husband
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Ms. Abedin’s separation quickly became political fodder for Donald J. Trump, Mrs. Clinton’s Republican opponent.
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Mr. Trump also said the episode was an issue of national security.
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Ms. Abedin, 40, has been at Mrs. Clinton’s side for two decades. She was her intern in the 1990s during the presidency of Bill Clinton and became a top aide while Mrs. Clinton served as a senator from New York. Ms. Abedin, now vice chairwoman of the campaign served on both of Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaigns — a mark of loyalty and trust that Mrs. Clinton prizes — and is often referred to as a surrogate daughter.
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So Trump is making something of the separation and likely divorce of a Clinton aide? And he's been divorced how many times?

The guy will say absolutely anything about anything and then spend the next three days backpedaling and claiming he was joking or being sarcastic when the crap he throws ends up back in his face. Everytime he opens his mouth, he loses votes. Keep talking, Don.
 
Danno said:
Back on topic, The Donald has recently said that to save the "family farms" he would require ethanol in ALL gasoline.
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Good enough reason NOT to vote for that imbecile!

Jean
 
Murdoch is the William Randolph Hearst of our times.

While Hearst's newspapers pounded out puritanical moral judgements, he shacked up with his young starlet girlfriend, taking advantage of the fact that his snooty wife refused to move permanently to the West Coast, preferring her hifalutin' friends and family out East.

Murdoch and Trump are of the same ilk, believing in their black little hearts that money excuses everything and is tangible proof of righteousness.
 
In Australia we live in a partial vacuum and don't usually see the American news services. What interests me is whether Murdoch is backing Trump ? Murdoch usually acts primarily in the interests of News Corp, to the exclusion of any other considerations - if he is backing Trump what would he gain ? Murdoch is the master manipulator of public opinion and he is pretty stuffed in the head and dangerous with it.
 
If I were American, and had to choose between Trump and Hillary, I would probably not vote at all.
 
As far as I am concerned, refusing to vote is never an option. 100,000 Australian soldiers died fighting for democracy in two world wars - so we would have the right to determine our own future. And my father was a WW2 Soldier. I would never throw their sacrifice back in their faces. In any case - if you don't vote, you can be certain that the ratbags always will. In Australia voting is compulsory and our army is nearly completely based on volunteers. If our soldiers recognise that the way of trying to achieve an objective is stupid, they 'jack up' - i.e. mutiny. Our officers then solve the problem. We don't shoot one in ten to make an example, as the French do.
Don't elect any people who are obviously idiots ! - Hilary Clinton at least appears to be sane. We got Tony Abbott, you will probably get Donald Trump - so in a minute, we will all be buggered.
 
Some years ago, there was a "man-in-the-street" interview on one of the US news programs, done in London during the run-up to a national election. The interviewer asked the mand if he voted a party line. His reply was "Definitely not. I study the candidates very closely to identify their personalities and voting records. Then I study their party platforms. Based on my research, I decide which of them is the worst, then I vote for the other one."

For me, that sums up the next US Presidential election.
 
If I think a politician is a loonie, I don't vote for them. The signs are easy to detect. - Speech patterns and body language. I always thought Americans were smarter than Australians - we have got a few real rat-bags in Canberra. What it means to me is that politics must attract them, they cannot possibly be a random representation of our whole community.
 
Peter R said:
If I were American, and had to choose between Trump and Hillary, I would probably not vote at all.
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Certain politicians count on certain people to not vote, so not voting plays directly into their hands. If you think by not voting, you would not be contributing to some jerkwad getting elected, you are wrong. You would be HELPING some jerkwad get elected. And encouraging more jerkwads to run in the future.
 
acotrel said:
If I think a politician is a loonie, I don't vote for them. The signs are easy to detect. - Speech patterns and body language. I always thought Americans were smarter than Australians - we have got a few real rat-bags in Canberra. What it means to me is that politics must attract them, they cannot possibly be a random representation of our whole community.
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Some seem to think that term limits would cull out the bad politicians, but it also culls out the better ones, throwing out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. My Dad used to say it takes a certain kind of a prick to want to be a cop and I think it's true for politicians, too.
 

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