D Rods, How do I identify them

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My 74 850 is stripped. How do I know if I have the "D" con rods that are supposed to fail if an engine is not put together correctly. I have been sifting through many of the past threads and seen what people have written about them. The general feeling is that they are bad news, but someone mentioned they got a bad name because a sloppy racers engine came to grief because of his sloppy engine work, and the rods got the blame. How true is this?
I have plenty of time because she who ought to be obeyed is going on about the amount of money I have poured into these two Nortons, and I should have bought a more modern bike instead of this 850. Where is the fun in that. I got the blah, blah, blah this morning when I told her it cost me $230.00 to have the lug welded back on the r/h c-case [ top one where it bolts to the g/box cradle ] and 5 new crank case to cradle/iso mounting bolts.
Interesting the amount of slop between the bolts and the holes in the engine. Disgusting actually .

Its funny as well that when I checked the l/h valves, none were bent, but I do need two new exhaust valves. I thought the l/h valves must have got bent as a result of the two l/h con rod nuts working loose, but although there is a minor witness mark from the valves touching the piston, it is more that they have cleaned the carbon off the piston tops. How lucky is that?

The reason for the engine to appear to have leaking valves can probably be put down to carbon holding the l/h exhaust valve open. When I pressure tested before removing the head, air just pissed out the exhaust on the l/h cyl. On the bench, putting petrol into each combustion chamber, and blowing compressed air down the ports indicated the inlet valve were not leaking, but both exhaust vales were. Both ex valves have started to pit so two new ones are going to have to be ordered.
Dereck
 
Didn't the previous discussion here establish that 'D rods' was a load of rubbish,
and that folks posting that didn't know what they were spouting about ??

Real early dommie rods, the small journal ones proved a bit fragile once the 600cc versions were tuned up,
and the early 650 and Atlas rods got a strengthened version at some stage in the bigger journal variety,
but Commando rods have been proved to be quite durable.

As the old saying goes though, no matter how strong we make em, someone will always find a way to wreck em.
ALL the COMPONENTS have to be good though, as with anything mechanical...
 
kerinorton said:
How do I know if I have the "D" con rods that are supposed to fail if an engine is not put together correctly.

To put your mind at rest (I hope?) 'D' rods have circled D markings:
GRM 450 said:
D Rods, How do I identify them

The 'D' rods supposedly fail due to a flaw or weakness introduced during the rod manufacturing process rather than incorrect engine assembly and as you are probably aware this has been discussed at length.
 
L.A.B. said:
The 'D' rods supposedly fail due to a flaw or weakness introduced during the rod manufacturing process

Wasn't this where the discussion went silly though ?

Rods are forged, and this can leave a mark where the 2 parts of the die that stamps them out meet.
The discussion was something like that they were made from 2 pieces joined together somehow. (???)
Which doesn't sound right (???)(???)(???)

Other/earlier rods have the roughness where the die halves meet, this is common to many stamped out forgings.
Its often cleaned up or ground off completely though - which may or may not leave a stronger product.

I did a bit of forging some years back, with a 200 ton air hammer.
The THWACK where it belts the product into shape can be felt in your bones...
 
The trouble begins when The Joker isn't joking though ?

No pic of an actual failed rod, to demonstrate.
Or if they can be crack tested.

I'd comment too that many forgings can have multiple preliminary steps,
so more detail needed....

A lot of Commandos, inc Mk3, have done considerable mileages from new,
so this isn't a consistent 'problem', by any means.
 
Rohan said:
No pic of an actual failed rod, to demonstrate.

No but a picture of a rod which shows that this rubbish about it being "stamped twice" is a joke regardless of the teller being aware of this or not. :wink:


Tim
 
The ever popular Les Emery thinks it's a cause for concern, hence the warning on his website. As I'm no metallurgist I couldn't, say but maybe Joe at A.N might like to comment.
 
Sorry about regurgitating old comments but I joined this forum after all this was discussed. I decided some time ago to systematically go through all the old threads, so starting at something like 523 I worked back and got to about 330 when I asked this question. Thanks for helping me identify the rods. They are not "D".
Dereck
 
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