72' or 73' Combat engine Commando?

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I'm in the middle of a long overdue complete rebuild of my "1973" 750 Commando.

I'm the second owner, purchased the bike way back in 1980, knowing not much about Nortons as my friends had Triumph Bonnevilles. The bike has a Combat engine ("C" stamped high compression head, larger valves, black painted cylinders, etc.). It is a matching numbers bike, s/n 212xxx. No less an authority than Brian Slark assures me that Combat engines were only produced for the 1972 models, and that Combat engines ended after 211110.

Furthermore, I had the engine rebuilt back in 1990 by British Marketing in So. Cal. and they confirmed that the engine had been rebuilt before I bought it. It had Superblend main bearings (the standard Combat fix), but also had the "standard" cam instead of the Combat cam. This work would have been done in Maryland where I purchased the bike and I'm assuming it was purchased somewhere in the state.

Color me confused; Do I own a 1972 bike that somehow got registered as a 1973? The head badge says the date of manufacture is Oct. 1972. That seems like a late manufacture date for a 1972 model.
 
I'm not all that familiar with combat bikes since I don't have one,.. edited to say and I proved it by posting mistaken information. Thanks LAB...
 
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No less an authority than Brian Slark assures me that Combat engines were only produced for the 1972 models, and that Combat engines ended after 211110.

This is correct.

Do I own a 1972 bike that somehow got registered as a 1973? That seems like a late manufacture date for a 1972 model.


The model year will be what is stated on the title.

It is a matching numbers bike, s/n 212xxx.

That depends whether it's before or after 212278 as far as parts are concerned (I'm guessing after).

 
I'm in the middle of a long overdue complete rebuild of my "1973" 750 Commando.

I'm the second owner, purchased the bike way back in 1980, knowing not much about Nortons as my friends had Triumph Bonnevilles. The bike has a Combat engine ("C" stamped high compression head, larger valves, black painted cylinders, etc.). It is a matching numbers bike, s/n 212xxx. No less an authority than Brian Slark assures me that Combat engines were only produced for the 1972 models, and that Combat engines ended after 211110.

Furthermore, I had the engine rebuilt back in 1990 by British Marketing in So. Cal. and they confirmed that the engine had been rebuilt before I bought it. It had Superblend main bearings (the standard Combat fix), but also had the "standard" cam instead of the Combat cam. This work would have been done in Maryland where I purchased the bike and I'm assuming it was purchased somewhere in the state.

Color me confused; Do I own a 1972 bike that somehow got registered as a 1973? The head badge says the date of manufacture is Oct. 1972. That seems like a late manufacture date for a 1972 model.
First, Norton had not "model year"! So, Oct 72 could be "72" or "73".

US dealers stated the year when titling the bikes and since Norton had no actual model years, they often used the year they got them which could have very little to do with when they were built and from a sales standpoint, later is better.

It's a likely a modified "72" non-Combat since the serial number is higher than the Combat cutoff but lower than the "73" start. "72" 750 actually started being built in 1971 with "72" serial numbers. "73"s were built in 72 and 73.

See: https://gregmarsh.com/MC/Norton/Info/CommandoID.aspx and
 
US Motorcycle titling even was weird when there was a clear model year. From the late 60s, Triumph's "VIN" included the month and year of manufacture and Triumph had specific month cutoff for a model year.

I have a 73 Trident titled as 74, a 74 Trident titled as 73, a 74 Trident titled as 75 and a 74 Trident titled as 74. In other words, 75% wrong!
 
To recap you have a 1972 manufacture Norton titled in USA as a 1973. I might get corrected on this but the "C" head (using up inventory?) continued into 1973 but the cam was discontunied. So you have a high compresion 750 engine but not a Combat. I have a similar Norton Manufactured in Oct waiting for redo.
 
Thanks to everyone for such good information. It is fun to try and figure out the history of this bike that I have owned for so long. When Doc Brown shows up with his time travel DeLorean, the first place I'm going is back to summer of 1980 and ask a whole bunch of questions to the guy I bought it from (I suspect he might want more than the $700 I paid him for it).

Here's what I know: When I purchased the bike, it had a huge 38mm Mikuni single carb on it, Dunstall "2 into 1 into 2" exhaust and mufflers, no centerstand (due to the exhaust routing), and no grab rail behind the seat. It was a Black roadster tank and side panels with the Gold "D" pinstripe on the tank.

What I learned when the engine was rebuilt in 1990: The engine had been rebuilt before I bought it. It has the "C" Combat head and the Black painted barrels. It had the updated Superblend bearings but had the standard Commando cam. Also, according to British Marketing who did the work, the pushrods were slightly longer than what was supposed to be fitted to the Combat engine. They removed the end caps and slightly milled the pushrods to maintain the correct rocker angle for the valves. They also blocked off the breather at the bottom rear of the engine case, properly modified the cases and relocated the breather to the inside top rear of the timing case as is seen on later models. The engine has always run well and strong.

I've made a lot of modifications over the years (Boyer ignition, single twin lead coil, 34 mm Amal single carb, etc.) and now I've got it down to the bare frame to replace the isolastics with CNW stainless units and clean everything up while I've got it apart.

So my bike IS a 1973 model but the serial numbers indicate that it probably didn't leave the factory with a Combat engine in it. Somehow it did end up with the Combat head and barrels before 1980 when I bought it. Maybe it has a long ago local racing history on the east coast back in the 70's.
 
Engines get built, barrells get painted.
Other items tend to stay.
MK IV aka 72/750 had the Black barrells along with the polished, shallow gauge holders and smaller taillight.
MK V aka 73/750 had the 850 style deeper, Black gauge holders, larger tailight like the 850. Also had a 'Steel' gas tank from the factory.

I'm guessing you have a 'Hot Rodded' Mk V.
 
You don't say whether it has a front disk brake or not. I would hazard a guess that your motorcycle just has a Combat head on a post Combat s/n '72 Commando. All Combat head engines needed the pushrods shortened. Norton never shortened them after milling the head .040 to raise CR to 10:1. Main bearings in any rebuilt Norton twin are probably going to be Superblends by now. Painting the barrels black can be done to any year. You can change the cam to 2S if you want your Commando to be Combat spec. Moving the crankcase breather to the rear timing case would not be my choice, but if the timing side case was drilled to add holes, you'd have to plug them to go back. Just add a Reed breather valve now.
A single carb engine with Dunstall 2-1-2 exhaust probably didn't perform all that well in upper RPM's with stock cam.
 
More good info, thanks to all who continue to contribute. My bike has the front disk (stock Norton, long since replaced with a Lockheed racing caliper) also has the large tail light "square style".

The breathing modifications were done at my request when the engine was rebuilt in 1990. The directions for doing so came from the Norton Owners Club (The British one, not the US club) Commando Service Notes booklet that was written by Tim Stevens and John Hudson and edited by Alan Osborn in 1980. It was a good modification at the time when reed valve breathers didn't exist. I am fine with the engine how it is and have no interest in further modifications to it as it has always run fine. I'm focusing my work on rebuilding the frame and running gear with top quality components and getting her back on the road.

I'm not an originality freak as I have always liked the look of a 70's era Cafe Racer. I'm looking forward to posting a few pictures of my bike soon when this rebuild is finished.
 
My 1972 June manufacture 750 Combat is titled 1973
Probably sold in 73 so 73 entered on the title, my earlyish Combat left the factory in late 72 for reasons unknown but with a later mod to the milling of the cases but no doubt related to the main bearing fiasco. It was finally registered for use on the road in 74.


see pics 4 5 6 and 7 from top of page
 
212xxx were built in that awkward post combat period before the 220xxx 750 MkV was produced. The ones of this number that I’ve come across were titled as ‘73. My combat in the avatar was at the other end with Dec 1971 build on the red ID plate.
 
Engines get built, barrells get painted.
Yep, every Norton engine I build gets black cylinders unless I'm building for someone who wants to show the bike and they are supposed to be silver. In that case, I would want to paint the head too. It's a personal preference - I detest two colors side-by-side that are close but do not match.
 
OK, folks. Here's the thing. When it was decided to drop the Combat "option" for the engine (and even the fact of the designation of "option" for the Combat engine is another misnomer in reality), there was an incredibly complicated situation. There were Combat engined Commandos sitting on dealers' showrooms, there were C-Commandos in crates at distributors' facilities, there where C-Commandos in shipping in all sort of situations and that's just the ones that had been dispatched from the factory. At the factory, there were completed C-Commandos in crates ready to ship, C-Commandos off the assembly line but being held (no speeds, handlebar grips, taillamps etc. in stock this week...), C-Commandos that were awaiting rectification after road test, C-engines that had been built but not built into motorcycles, and crates and crates of C-engine parts. WITH to do???
The guiding principle was to be that no more C-engines after the designated serial number would come off the engine assembly line and "every C-Commando that could be touched would be rebuilt". But that left the catching C-Commandos around the world, arranging a warranty-like repairment plan, supplying the correct parts (and that supplying the correct parts would extend from getting parts to the rectification groups within the factory and a correct supply of parts to dealers in Adelaide). The next question was what should those parts be? The process for dealing with the issue of headless pistons was pretty much already underway but what about the compression of heads? Would we take off "C" heads and throw them away and replace them with new standard-machined heads? No, that would have been incredibly expensive so a range of options was tried -- refitting the "C" heads with a thicker headgaskets, fitting spacers under the cylinder bases and keeping the "C" heads, or -- if there was a noted flaw with a "C" head replacing it. There was the question of camshafts -- the double-S camshaft* gave wonderful power for people who wanted that sort of thing and were willing to put up with a wonky powerband -- but they beat the valve train, from tappets all the way to the valves, unmercilessly and there were issues of mis-matched pushrods and heat insulating washers which complicated the already-complicated question of providing training for the technicians who were tasked with rebuilding these engines. In addition, there was a shortage of hands to rebuild engines -- at the factory, at distributors' facilities around the world, and at dealers; this is compounded at the dealer level that by the time we're talking about here, many dealers had their hands full rebuilding failed Combat engines under warranty.
Add to all this, there was the standard situation of "supply-chain". Most dealers knew their clientele -- some had many buyers who were frothing at the mouth over the idea of a hotrod Commando and wouldn't accept anything but a Combat engine; others heard many prospectives say "No way I'm going to buy one with that ratty engine". So distributors were juggling orders from dealers. What do you do if you're a distributor who doesn't have a lot of trained help and you have one red Roadster in stock and you won't get rebuild parts for the dreaded "few days" and a dealer is screaming for an order that's gotta-be-red-Roadster-with-the-Combat-engine? Yep, that motorcycle is going to go out unmodified and will roll out the dealer's shop with little more than good hopes. Same thing applies and the factory -- at this time, motorcycle assembly had been very much reduced at Andover so distribution sales people at Andover had little resource to provide a specific motorcycle for a demanding dealer than to get on the phone with a "we don't have a metalflake blue Roadster in stock but we'll lose a customer is we can't supply soon" to the production schedulers at Wolverhampton. If a blue Roadster was sitting there at Wolverhampton, you can bet that it would be the first motorcycle on the lorry to Andover the next day -- rebuilt or not.
And there were the situations that were the complicated type? What do you do with a motorcycle that has an engine that was among the first few built with Superblends and improved pistons but had the double-S cam and milled head -- there were more than a few like that. Would you change the head gasket, providing lower compression with the "C" head but leave the double-S cam and push it out the door? Speaking of Superblends, it was a very high priority for rebuilt engines to go out with Superblends but especially in the first stages of the rebuild effort, RHP (the long-time Norton supplier of roller main bearings and the originator of the "Superblend" description) could not supply nearly enough replacement bearings in a short period of time. So after a supplier search, it was discovered that the FAG British distributor just down the road in Wombourne could get plenty in a short time (only later was it noticed that the FAG bearings were cheaper and carried a higher dynamic load rating -- although all results seemed to indicate that the RHP bearings were "good enough" to solve the problem in service, it probably didn't make much difference in reality; still, the FAG bearing became to default factory fit and supplier-through-spares bearing, and was also referred forever more as a "Superblend" although FAG never use that description.)

I'm describing all this to demonstrate that there's a "theoretical" Last-Combet-Engine-Built serial number out there and it's important in its own way but in reality there were many serial numbered engines long before that theoretical Last-Combat that rolled out of the dealer's front door without a single Combat part (or maybe only a "C" head with a compression-reducing plate) and a number of completely Combat-stock engines after the Last-Combat that were sold.

With so much "it depends" in the mix, does it really matter when describing a serial number from or just after late Combat-engine production that's been completely rebuilt at least twice in the past 52 years?

And speaking of the double-S cam, many people aren't familiar with the difference between the Norton "SS" cam and the Norton VIlliers double-S cam. I'm not familiar with the development of the double-S cam but it's quite different from the "stock" Commando cam grind. The "SS" cam, pronounced "ess-ess" was developed for the 650SS as a hot-road-sport and racing cam in the late 50s. And it proved to be a good camshaft, if they were competently produced with the correct heat treatment, they were remarkably reliable in service with lots of power that was arranged with a very user-friendly "torquey" powerband. But, I hear you saying, 'what does this have to do with the Combat camshaft?" The answer is that the "SS" camshaft proved to be so good that it was adopted as the stock camshaft for all later 650 Norton twins and also the Atlas -- and it was carried over to the Commando as the stock cam grind! So when a Combat-engine camshaft was being fitted to an engine, it was replacing an "SS" cam (the stock Commando cam) with a "double-S" cam that's different.

(The SSS performance cam was developed soon after the double-S cam; it gave more power with a power band no more tricky than the double-S but turned out to be much gentler on the valve train. It's no wonder that Peter Williams selected the SSS cam to be the basis of his more-fully developed and computer-analyzed PW3 cam. I wonder if the cam and valve train troubles with the Combat engine would have been lessened or avoided by using the triple-S cam in the Combat engine._
 
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