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As per request, I am starting this thread and hope people that have had the re-map can post their reviews HERE!

On Saturday, my dad and I both had our bikes re-mapped to 077 for the shortie exhausts. We already had the previous map for the shortie exhaust so this will be the second re-map for both bikes.
2014 Norton 961 SE #112 by Richard-7

As I was told it adjusted the timing by about 20 degrees. My dad has many more miles and hours on the bike so I'll start with his review. "WOW!!!! -- I sure wish I had that map for the trip to Texas!!" - " I can definitely get to the ton a lot faster, there doesn't seem to be any lag, it's super responsive now. And in the corners I don't have to feather the clutch to keep the rev's high, seems like a lot less engine braking which is a huge improvement." -- "FANTASTIC!!"

My review is this;
The bike sounds better and is definitely a lot more responsive on the throttle! Who ever on this forum said we're in a for a big treat wasn't kidding!!! THIS BIKE JUST ROARS!!!! You can feel it in your body and hear it with your ears. It's very impressive!!!!

I wonder if the HP went up?

Please post YOUR reviews here!!!
 

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I have been waiting to see your review. I read the reviews from our UK friends and their experience with remaps. I can't wait to get mine done.

I have been busy and not able to get many miles of my SF. This weekend I past the 300 mile mark, and was able to raise the RPM level to 4500. I love the bike and the way it handles. Looks like I will love it even more after new pipes, remap, and fully broke-in.

New pipes arrive from South Bay this week. I have read several posts about new pipes without remap. A UK poster said that Donnington Hall would not do it to his 961. It seems that several North American 961 owners have upgraded pipes without a remap. Is that true, would appreciate the feedback.

Still not sure how I will get a remap done with nearest dealer being 900 miles away. But, I will figure something out

Thanks for updating. BTW, really like the black and white photos you post
 
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G81 Can Cycle said:
It seems that several North American 961 owners have upgraded pipes without a remap. Is that true, would appreciate the feedback.
I have the SBT exhaust and have put 2,000 miles on the bike without the remap. I too am waiting for the remap, but the bike runs quite well without it. It remains lean (55 mpg) and I'm told not to keep revs above 5K for extended periods, but that's not a problem. My main issue that I'm looking to solve is to remove a flat spot between 2K - 3K where the bike will sputter if trying to maintain a constant speed in that rev range, but that's below ideal engine speed anyway. Only time it is an issue is when driving in town and around traffic. Under acceleration through that range, it is fine. And, from 3K and above, it runs great. Also, I'm interested in seeing what the engine will do when not so fuel-constrained.

Also, you'll love the difference in character that comes with the less restrictive exhaust (i.e., it sounds amazing).
 
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Thanks for the kind comment on my photos. My other hobby :)

I asked if the 077 map was for all bikes and he said NO, the 077 is for modified exhaust only. Also, if you run the wrong maps you run the risk of burning a hole in your pistons.

Hope this helps.
 

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Good to know on the pipes and no remap issue. I had assumed from previous posts that several 961 owners in NA had changed pipes and were still running original factory mapping.

I can understand why you would not want to run extended periods, with free flow pipe, above 5000 RPM with the original lean mapping from the factory. It could do both valve and piston damage.

My new pipes should be here this week. I am in no hurry to install, as the bike has less than 400 miles on it. But I can only rev to 4500 RPM right now, so exceeding the 5000 RPM threshold for extended periods is not a problem (LOL)

Went riding with a good friend this weekend. He, the friend, on a 74 Commando, and me on the 961. He is a AHRMA racer and campaigns two old Nortons. We entered an Interstate off ramp during our ride (the only curves in Florida) I normally have trouble keeping up with him, as he is a superiorly good knee dragger. I passed him on the outside :shock: . I am sure if he would have seen me coming, he would have dipped that knee and walked away. But, I did enjoy the event. This 961 gives you serious confidence in the corners. He did get me back when we stopped for a break, as the 961 was idling, he ask me what kind of diesel fuel I used. His comments meant to offend me at the non-Commando sound emanating from the 961 :p
 
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If you want to emphasize the new Norton advantages, next time take him out on a bumpy, twisty road, if you can find such a thing in Florida. The Ohlins are phenomenal when the road conditions are rough.

My two other main rides both have Ohlins (Ducati 916 and Triumph 675), but the new Norton's suspension is noticeably the best of my bikes.

I'm a big fan of classic Norton Commando handling, but the new Norton is in a completely different league.

Enjoy!
 
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Remap 077, Im not going to say I told you so, but.... " I told you.... etc"

Dunno what it does, but it makes a great bike fantastic, apart from the costing of 25% of the fuel economy. Meh, its only money. 40mpg is about what a 1000cc twin should do anyway in my mind.

I couldn't care less about that though, just to hear the bloody noise the thing now makes once you press the loud button....
 
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DBono said:
If you want to emphasize the new Norton advantages, next time take him out on a bumpy, twisty road, if you can find such a thing in Florida. The Ohlins are phenomenal when the road conditions are rough.

My two other main rides both have Ohlins (Ducati 916 and Triumph 675), but the new Norton's suspension is noticeably the best of my bikes.

I'm a big fan of classic Norton Commando handling, but the new Norton is in a completely different league.

Enjoy!
The Ohlins on the Norton suck up the bumps like a new Mercedes. They don't feel the slightest bit harsh and there is no bounce. Badum....its over. Teeth in tact.
 

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DBono said:
G81 Can Cycle said:
It seems that several North American 961 owners have upgraded pipes without a remap. Is that true, would appreciate the feedback.
I have the SBT exhaust and have put 2,000 miles on the bike without the remap. I too am waiting for the remap, but the bike runs quite well without it. It remains lean (55 mpg) and I'm told not to keep revs above 5K for extended periods, but that's not a problem. My main issue that I'm looking to solve is to remove a flat spot between 2K - 3K where the bike will sputter if trying to maintain a constant speed in that rev range, but that's below ideal engine speed anyway. Only time it is an issue is when driving in town and around traffic. Under acceleration through that range, it is fine. And, from 3K and above, it runs great. Also, I'm interested in seeing what the engine will do when not so fuel-constrained.

Also, you'll love the difference in character that comes with the less restrictive exhaust (i.e., it sounds amazing).
I too have the SBT mufflers and cross over pipe. There is a flat spot in my power from 2600 -3400 rpm approximately. Nothing drastic, but noticeable. Also, it is difficult to start when cold, and will not idle without a little throttle for about 60 seconds. Above 3400 the bike runs like a raped ape. No complaints there!
My fuel mileage numbers are over 54 mpg, so it is obviously running quite lean.

I'll be more than happy to give up a few mpg in return for better throttle response, easier starting, and even better acceleration with a new EFI map.
The Dominator silencers from SBT have a phenomenal sound. It’s so beautiful, on decel they sound like acoustical ambrosia.
 
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Ok, I have a few questions ! How bad was your dad's bike running, " feather the clutch in corners to keep revs high " ????

I have a US spec 961SF with the long open pipes, still have cats, original mapping ! I understand most owners that changed pipes and de-catted have fueling issues !

My bike runs great, no pinging, popping, flat spots or surging. I know I am lean as I get over 50 mpg even playing in the twisties !
Logic tells me it can run better, I just don't know how much ?

The line " much less engine breaking " intrigues me ! Mine will lock the rear wheel if I downshift to 3rd, 2nd, or 1st without blipping the throttle ( rev matching ) !

I will not be one of the first in line for a re-map, but I will anxiously await reports from others. A re-map would allow me to remove the cats!

I hope the rumors of pending US re-maps are true !
 
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Ok, I have a few questions ! How bad was your dad's bike running, " feather the clutch in corners to keep revs high " ???? The bike ran fantastic!! It may have been that he felt he had to feather the clutch and may not have really had to and it just felt better to him, OR his bike had more engine braking than others, but the bottom line is, the RE-MAP made a world of improvements!



I hope the rumors of pending US re-maps are true ! I would Imagine every bike that comes in for service will eventually get a new map. Not everyone is on the internet so a lot of people might not even know there is a new map out.
 
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Richard, you have read my post so you know my bike has heavy engine breaking also. Could your dad have meant feather the "throttle" in corners , that I would understand. Will your bike lock the rear wheel when downshifting to 3rd if you don't "blip" the throttle, mine will!
How abou you other owners, is your 961's engine breaking greater then your other bikes??? :shock: t
 

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BPHORSEGUY said:
Richard, you have read my post so you know my bike has heavy engine breaking also. Could your dad have meant feather the "throttle" in corners , that I would understand. Will your bike lock the rear wheel when downshifting to 3rd if you don't "blip" the throttle, mine will!
How abou you other owners, is your 961's engine breaking greater then your other bikes??? :shock: t
For sure. Same with my 961.
I always attributed it to the crank and a single large balancer shaft being geared together. Large amount of rotating inertia.
I blip the throttle on downshift as a matter of habit with all my bikes.
 

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my 2 yr old bike was rebuilt into a new frame and then serviced a couple of months ago at Donington, it was remapped 18 months ago when I had the long loud pipes fitted, I'm not sure if they put the latest maps when it was last serviced but there's still plenty of engine braking, reminds me of my previous air cooled Ducati's. Hardly need brakes as good as the Brembo's! Love it all the same, is there a way of checking what map you have on the bike?
 
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All US bikes have original factory maps as US dealers have not the software or cable yet!
 

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der said:
my 2 yr old bike was rebuilt into a new frame and then serviced a couple of months ago at Donington, it was remapped 18 months ago when I had the long loud pipes fitted, I'm not sure if they put the latest maps when it was last serviced but there's still plenty of engine braking, reminds me of my previous air cooled Ducati's. Hardly need brakes as good as the Brembo's! Love it all the same, is there a way of checking what map you have on the bike?
Only an assumption on my part, but I would imagine you would need to hook up to the ECU with the Norton software. It would read the version of mapping as a file name. Of course, I believe this can, currently, only be done at a dealer with the software, and connectors for the ECU
 
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G81 Can Cycle said:
der said:
my 2 yr old bike was rebuilt into a new frame and then serviced a couple of months ago at Donington, it was remapped 18 months ago when I had the long loud pipes fitted, I'm not sure if they put the latest maps when it was last serviced but there's still plenty of engine braking, reminds me of my previous air cooled Ducati's. Hardly need brakes as good as the Brembo's! Love it all the same, is there a way of checking what map you have on the bike?
Only an assumption on my part, but I would imagine you would need to hook up to the ECU with the Norton software. It would read the version of mapping as a file name. Of course, I believe this
can, currently, only be done at a dealer with the software, and connectors for the ECU[/q
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And you would be correct ! I don't know the map number but I do know it dates back to the late summer of 2013 !
 
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When I had my stage 2 remap done 2 weeks ago, George at Krazy Horse said the map he did on my bike was no 077 and was fresh out of the factory and I was the first one.

However he also said 077 was for decatted 'Longs', not shorties as the longs were prone to pinking at high revs. Ive heard other members on this thread had 077 installed with shorties?

So it might be worth contacting your dealer.
 
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Yea. Its true. The remapping software arrived at my dealer in NY, but he had trouble opening it and they had to send another software to open the original. Also, he's waiting for the cord, but it happens to be the same cord as the Triumphs....so he says.
 
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However he also said 077 was for decatted 'Longs', not shorties as the longs were prone to pinking at high revs.

So it might be worth contacting your dealer.
No one I know knows what "pinking" Is ??? I am sure you mean "pinging". It is the rattling sound or BB's on a tin roof sound that engines make with bad gas or bad tuning !
 
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